**** is becoming real (Electric car thats rechargeable in 3 minutes)

[Richard Cranium]

The only way to get electric cars to be the best choice is to make them more of a value to the public. Flood the market with a cheaper option and the public will come around. They are marketing to a group that feels that you need to spend more money to do good things.

.....And expect to be subsidized by the taxpayers by way of tax incentives and not paying road taxes.

Currently, electric cars are welfare cars.

 

[slepr1]

I guess it's time to cut down the rainforest because it pollutes too much.

"The Brazilian Amazon released nearly 20 percent more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere over the last decade than it absorbed, according to a stunning report that shows humanity can no longer depend on the world's largest tropical forest to help absorb manmade carbon pollution. From 2010 through 2019, Brazil's Amazon basin gave off 16.6 billion tonnes of CO2, while drawing down only 13.9 billion tonnes, researchers reported Thursday in the journal Nature Climate Change.

https://www.firstpost.com/tech/scie...orbed-over-the-last-decade-study-9586751.html

You missed the next sentence...

"The study looked at the volume of CO2 absorbed and stored as the forest grows, versus the amounts released back into the atmosphere as it has been burned down or destroyed."

 

[69a100]

Who said one can't? To reach "0" net emissions? Doesn't mean 0. It means we are no longer adding more emissions than the atmosphere can handle. I believe we are already past the point of just reducing CO and other greenhouse emissions. We will need to introduce mediation measures. Atmospheric scrubbing? Solar blocking? (Probably near the poles) to buy time for the earth to do its thing. It's not undoable?

So then we need to start controlling the population is what you're saying? You first!

 

[slepr1]

.....And expect to be subsidized by the taxpayers by way of tax incentives and not paying road taxes.

Currently, electric cars are welfare cars.

All auto manufactures get tax subsidized and huge bailouts, even the oil industry is subsidized, both adding up in the trillions.
I agree that road taxes are a concern.

"IMF study that found that the fossil fuel industry was receiving the equivalent of ~$5 trillion in subsidies per year."

"let’s look at what other US-based automakers have received over the years. Here are the report cards for Fiat/Chrysler, General Motors, and Ford, in that order from Good Jobs First:"

GM Subsidies

https://electrek.co/2016/11/25/tesla-subsidies-big-three-oil-industry/

 

[Slap Stick]

How do we determine how much CO2 is emitted/absorbed?

 

[Slap Stick]

Really? Do you need to be proven the earth is round? You are going to have to read. Then be able to absorb what you have learned? You can start with NASA's studies and reports.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/climate.nasa.gov/evidence.amp

NOAA studies and conclusions.

https://www.noaa.gov/climate

The planet is warming at a rate never before measured by any measurement known to science. Ice core samples. Ocean core samples. Even tree ring analysis draws same conclusions. And this warming rate increase is in direct correlation with CO emissions increase over the past century by man. This is called "Analogical Evidence."

When 97 % of the entire scientific community is in concensus? Who historically fight among themselves? You might want to listen and attempt to learn something? Can I prove 100%? No. No such thing. Just as I can't prove you actually have a mind. And are even capable of drawing a fact base conclusion? So stop with the "Then prove that" game.

That isn't proof, as ot is only theory and conjecture.
I said, observed scientific evidence. Just because something g is happen I g doesn't prove the cause.
What from those reports proves Man is the cause?
To prove a theory you must first establish a benchmark. Then if you believe X is the cause you must remove X and then observe what happens.
Now...how ya gonna do that?

 

[Photon440]

.....And expect to be subsidized by the taxpayers by way of tax incentives and not paying road taxes.

Currently, electric cars are welfare cars.

Not a real argument there, fuel road taxes don't actually pay for much of the roads, the rest comes from other sources - highway tolls, general revenues from local and state bonds, property taxes and sales taxes. So even if you don't drive or own a vehicle you're still helping pay for roads, subsidizing those who do drive.

 

[69a100]

That isn't proof, as ot is only theory and conjecture.
I said, observed scientific evidence. Just because something g is happen I g doesn't prove the cause.
What from those reports proves Man is the cause?
To prove a theory you must first establish a benchmark. Then if you believe X is the cause you must remove X and then observe what happens.
Now...how ya gonna do that?

Yeah, and what about all that space junk that man has trashed the Earth's orbit with casting shadows on the planet and it's changing of the weather patterns? But let's not talk about that because it's to complicated and not the root cause of the problem!

 

[Slap Stick]

Yeah, and what about all that space junk that man has trashed the Earth's orbit with casting shadows on the planet and it's changing of the weather patterns? But let's not talk about that because it's to complicated and not the root cause of the problem!

Is it even a cause?

 

[Photon440]

Yeah, and what about all that space junk that man has trashed the Earth's orbit with casting shadows on the planet and it's changing of the weather patterns? But let's not talk about that because it's to complicated and not the root cause of the problem!

I've seen shadows from airplanes flying overhead, but never from an orbiting satellite. That would be cool!

 

[69a100]

Is it even a cause?

You can't throw the theory out the window because it's something to think about, but nobody will talk about, why?

 

[Slap Stick]

Can you prove the theory? Is it even possible?
I appoint you to get a grant to study it and report back.

 

[kiwigtx]

Currently, electric cars are welfare cars.

Same here in New Zealand.....electric cars do not pay any road user charges like all other fossil fuel vehicles.

And yet they are shaping up to be the straw that breaks the 'electricity grid network's back'

I am looking forward to the first electric car fire over here just to show how difficult they are to extinguish. Our fire-fighters will be running around like the Keystone Cops.

(I hope my use of the apostrophe was appropriate.)

 

[Richard Cranium]

All auto manufactures get tax subsidized and huge bailouts, even the oil industry is subsidized, both adding up in the trillions.
I agree that road taxes are a concern.

"IMF study that found that the fossil fuel industry was receiving the equivalent of ~$5 trillion in subsidies per year."

"let’s look at what other US-based automakers have received over the years. Here are the report cards for Fiat/Chrysler, General Motors, and Ford, in that order from Good Jobs First:"



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https://electrek.co/2016/11/25/tesla-subsidies-big-three-oil-industry/

Historically, subsidies granted to the fossil fuel industry were designed to lower the cost of fossil fuel production and incentivize new domestic energy sources. But you have to ask yourself why is it that the fossil fuel industry is being demonized today?


Why so many subsidies for electric vehicles?
https://insidesources.com/why-so-many-subsidies-for-electric-vehicles/


Electric cars don't pay road tax.

There are no government rebates when one buys a gasoline powered car. In fact, the government will tax you more if they consider your car a gas guzzler. To make matters worse (in states that have sales tax), you have to pay sales tax on top of a gas tax.

The US government is proposing building electric car charging stations across the country paid for by tax dollars.

If you install Chinese built solar panels on your roof, there are government rebates and other tax incentives for those who do so.

More than half of the wind turbines running in the US come from overseas.

 

[Cojohnso1]

Does anyone here really believe the government will have difficulty finding away of taxing electric vehicle use? They will up calling it some cute name like "Tax by Watt." Or something.

 

[Photon440]

Does anyone here really believe the government will have difficulty finding away of taxing electric vehicle use? They will up calling it some cute name like "Tax by Watt." Or something.

Of course they will tax, it's already that way in parts of the world. Here in Canada, Saskatchewan is starting later this year. https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2021/04/24/provincial-tax-for-new-electric-vehicle-owners.html

 

[mpgmike]

Well over 20 years ago Oregon did a study of levying road tax other than through the sale of fuel. They latched onto the idea of using your odometer and charging you a "Road Usage" tax annually when you renewed your registration. At that time, the hinderance was the fact that most odometers were mechanical and easily tampered with. Heck, if nothing else, one could disconnect the speedometer to save on this annual tax. With the more modern electronic speedometers, and the fact that the odometer reading is stored in the ECU, this suddenly becomes the answer to extracting blood from a turnip.

 

[Richard Cranium]

Does anyone here really believe the government will have difficulty finding away of taxing electric vehicle use? They will up calling it some cute name like "Tax by Watt." Or something.

Of course they will. Right now they are suckering people in.

 

[chargervert]

Massachusetts and Rhode Island have already signed the new green deal into law,outlawing the operation of our classic cars.

 

[Cojohnso1]

Massachusetts and Rhode Island have already signed the new green deal into law,outlawing the operation of our classic cars.

Can you br more as specific? I'm not seeing any law outlawing classic car operations? I'm not saying it doesn't exist. Just saying I'm not seeing it?

https://www.mass.gov/regulations/201-CMR-11-new-and-used-motor-vehicle-arbitration