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Is This Even Possible???
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hanks73340
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I don't get it. How can that even be possible. How do you prove ownership?
Mopar Hunter
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You can build one with AMD parts and some other sourced parts.
No dealer would let it go out the door without a title.
No dealer would let it go out the door without a title.
Alabama didn't have titles in 69, and it was the buyers obligation to register. Take it home, put it away and i guess forget it.
I think it is completely possible. am not sure back in the day when the title was issued for each state. For example, in CA, cars that came from Detroit to the dealer, had documentation, but they wouldn't have a CA "pink slip" a.k.a. "title" until CA registered the sale from a dealer to a buyer. So, I could see where the dealer paperwork alone would be sufficient, until it was sold to a buyer. To think of it another way, when you bought your new car from the dealer, you were not the second owner, by almost any way of reasoning. You bought it from the dealer, who did own it, but you were the original owner. Locally, several years ago, there was a Chevy dealer in Sebastopol CA that had a 69 Corvair on the floor that had never been sold. So, in effect, it was a "new" Corvair. I can't remember when they sold it but when I heard about it I was a little disappointed. Something about a new car sitting on the dealer's showroom floor for decades was kind of cool.
I have seen a gen 2 Barracuda, never regestered, with 8 miles on the clock.
Mopar Hunter
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I wonder how that would work if someone had to refinance it back then.
Bill of sale?
Yes Bill of Sale. To this day all I need to register a car prior to 1974 is a Bill of Sale. Still no titles prior to 1974. If I sell a car without a title, I provide a Bill of Sale and a current registration and any title state will provide you a title.
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And sometimes, it wasn't even the dealer who owned it - it was their bank and the dealer just took care of the paperwork to get it to a customer. Then they paid the bank off and kept any profits.
When they were building the big vans in fenton, a few were forgotten when they closed. They were found 6 years later, big pain in the a**. They were researched, paper work straighten out and used as yard cars, never to hit the road. They were later crushed. Taxes not collected yearly and no new car sales tax paid, would be a problem.
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This was the situation with my '69 GTX. It was one of three Dealer Demonstrator GTXs owned by the selling dealer. He sold the other two while they were still financed by the bank. He kept mine for 15 years, and I always assumed it had never been titled, because it ran dealer plates the entire time.
So I was surprised when I finally bought the car two years ago, and the copy of the title from the first registered owner showed the car having been originally titled in 1972. It turned out, the bank got tired of carrying a three year old, unsold vehicle with their financing, and made the dealership buy it. It was titled, with the dealership as owner of record. The dealer depreciated it as part of the transaction. When his son gave me the original factory invoice last year, he explained that those calculations were the handwritten notes his dad had made in the margins.
The two registered owners before me had no idea that any of this had taken place. They knew the previous owner had been a WWII fighter pilot, but they had no idea that he was the same guy who sold the car.
chargervert
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The story is legit. The car was owned by Brockton Dodge in Massachusetts. The dealer never sold the car. A friend of my friends stored this car for the family that owned the dealership. The car was not stored in Florida for 50 years as reported in some stories I have read recently. The car was stored in Wrentham Massachusetts until the Dealerships owners son sold the car about four years ago. I saw the car in person several times. We used this car to take measurements,make templates,and took photos of when we were making Daytona parts.1969 Dodge Charger Daytona Has Never Been Titled Or Registered...If accurate, then what a find!!!...cr8crshr/Bill
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Beautiful Daytona!
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We don't need no stinking paperwork.
"Possession is nine points of the law" means that if someone physically possesses a piece of property, they are likely considered the rightful owner in the eyes of the law, giving them a strong legal claim to it, even if there is no formal documentation proving ownership; essentially, having possession is a major advantage in a property dispute.
Since each state makes up it's own rules................... My state is not following it's own rules with titles on certain older cars.
If that car was here the law stipulates it "SHALL" have a title for the first registered owner. (A little more involved. But that's the gist. And IF you wanted one.)
But my state would NOT give that person a title like the law says it should. I've been down this rabbit hole.
One thing I can guarantee is if the state found out you HAD the car they would want to tax it. (Probably most states.)
And if you were in a certain township in Australia, the town council would probably come and TAKE the car from you.
"Possession is nine points of the law" means that if someone physically possesses a piece of property, they are likely considered the rightful owner in the eyes of the law, giving them a strong legal claim to it, even if there is no formal documentation proving ownership; essentially, having possession is a major advantage in a property dispute.
Since each state makes up it's own rules................... My state is not following it's own rules with titles on certain older cars.
If that car was here the law stipulates it "SHALL" have a title for the first registered owner. (A little more involved. But that's the gist. And IF you wanted one.)
But my state would NOT give that person a title like the law says it should. I've been down this rabbit hole.
One thing I can guarantee is if the state found out you HAD the car they would want to tax it. (Probably most states.)
And if you were in a certain township in Australia, the town council would probably come and TAKE the car from you.
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Wonder when the vinyl top was installed?
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There are pictures of the car in front of the dealership with the vinyl top on it back in the early seventies. The stories say that the wingcar didn't sell,that was not my understanding, I was told that the owner of the dealership thought that the car was special and chose not to sell it, instead using it to lure buyers into the showroom after seeing how much attention the car brought when it was displayed.
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Our dealer in State College did a variation on that theme. He kept a Moulin Rouge AAR 'Cuda, a '69 Hemi Road Runner, and a 440 Superbird on the showroom floor, along with one Jeep, and the engine that was later installed in his P51 Mustang. The cars were eventually sold, but not for several years. That tactic, combined with the test drive in his GTX, made me a lifetime customer.
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Cool video & story, sounds like a good ol' boy, who is it's caretaker...
chargervert
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I just read yet another bullsh*t story about this car being stored in Florida for 50 years, when it was in Massachusetts the whole time! It was stored in a very clean dry garage in Mass,but I guess that it sounds better when people say it was stored in nice dry Florida. They cut the whole Brockton Dodge ownership out of the story, which is why the car exists in its current condition. Don't believe what you read on the internet!
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There are several classics out there that have never been titled or registered. It happens for various reasons. I'm surprised there aren't more wing cars with this status as there were LOTS of them that lingered at dealers for YEARS. I've seen a few of the later 70's cars that were put up as collectibles when new that were never registered. Pace Car Corvettes and Anniversary Trans Am's, a friend of mine has a '76 Eldorado convertible that came from Sewell Cadillac in Dallas. It sat in the showroom mostly, the owner's wife would use it occasionally with a dealer tag. He's the 3rd real owner but he's the "original owner" on the title because nobody before him actually registered it. By the time he got it, it needed a top and the paint needed freshening up, he drives it on nice days.
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