Last Task After Layoff at Disney: Train Foreign Replacements

[coronet340]

Pat,you ever work next to a illegal? The fact is these people are here doing jobs that nobody in this country that no one wants to do.

I have. So obviously I was willing to do they job they were doing.

 

[Richard Cranium]

Disney is a corporation that isn't much different than any other corporation in this country. There may or may not be liberals on the board of directors, I don't know, but their only mission is the bottom line for themselves and keeping the stockholders happy.

I was being sarcastic in my statement because there are sheeple who constantly spout off about corporate greed with the belief that this practice is done solely by those with conservative beliefs, while those with liberal beliefs are falsely held up as being "for the people". In fact, that is hardly the case, which the Disney example proves beyond a shadow of a doubt.

 

[Xp29h]

How can that be, Disney is run by politically correct liberals, not greedy Republicans?

I knew there was the sarcasm there and I laughed, but my thought is, they're ALL becoming too damn greedy!

 

[steve from staten island]

Pat, i understand how you like to twist and turn anything i print. Ive read your words on how much a evil people liberals and democrats are. However I've read many times on the PF as well as this forum about how jobs that illegals and green card holding immigrants from Mexico and South America do because people here including minorities don't want to do. I do agree with you about much of what you posted. Its just not illegals but the open door policy we seem to have. All these people putting roof's on houses,putting in new sidewalks or driveways are not here illegally. Did you just wake up to the fact that the government does not go after employers who hire illegals or even legal immigrants and don't pay for workers comp or pay them off the books

 

[Moparsmitty]

I was being sarcastic in my statement because there are sheeple who constantly spout off about corporate greed with the belief that this practice is done solely by those with conservative beliefs, while those with liberal beliefs are falsely held up as being "for the people". In fact, that is hardly the case, which the Disney example proves beyond a shadow of a doubt.

You? Being sarcastic? I thought I'd never see the day!
Lots of people's politics are very important to them until the big money shows up, then their political beliefs come in a distant second. This is especially true of politicians.

 

[72Fourspeed]

Oh, good Lord, Steve, that is a full repeat of every Lefty talking point out there! The "fact" that they "do the jobs Americans don't want" is pure, unadulterated bullshit! I can provide MANY examples of how employers that do not care if they hire illegals at all (construction comes to mind!), have driven down the cost of labor by hiring illegals that will work for half the money of a legal worker...and I am NOT talking about union workers, but independent contractors and such that even ten years ago, were making a great wage. My brother is in construction, and among the very best in his trade. He's worked on some of the costliest homes in a Rocky Mountain state. Now, the illegals have undercut him and the other, highly skilled and talented American workers. Is that fair? Is that one of your jobs Americans won't do??? Seriously, get a handle on reality and dump that meme you are trying to foist on a public who is quite tired of our country getting overridden by cheap imported, illegal laborers. Our Congresscritters are vested in keeping the illegal status quo, and Il Duce sure as hell isn't gonna pass up a chance to register millions of illegals as Democrats. Bet on that!

A local roofer I hired two years ago had a full crew of non-English speaking Guatamalans on my roof doing the job. I asked him about hiring illegals, and he fully admitted it to me that he did, and indeed, sought them out! No workers comp, no overtime, no benefits - hell, he's making money hand over fist! He's paying them less that min wage. And do you think our gub-mint will go after him??? No way in hell!

Oh, and how about those 80K Syrians getting a free "refugee" pass into the US now? No Christians, mind you, just adherents of that wondrous "religion of peace"...will THEY be taking more of these jobs you claim Americans don't want??? Well, wait, about 99.999998% of Americans don't want to be homicide bombers, so I'll give you that one

We are our "gubmint". If you knew that & still let him do the job,you are at fault too. Omission is as bad co-mission.

 

[GearAddict]

I have. So obviously I was willing to do they job they were doing.

Ditto... I lived in SoCal for 11 years and worked alongside several illegal immigrants that were in the same role I was. I was happy for that job and I'm an American.

I'm sure there are jobs where the statement that "they are filling jobs that MOST Americans don't want", is true... but nothing is ever so black and white.

I don't hate anyone for wanting to come here or to have a better life. But the mass scale of it, seems to be negatively impacting the country. I want people to immigrate here, I truly believe that the diversity of cultures and viewpoints in the US is one of the things that makes us great. I just think it should be done within the laws that govern us, which also helps to curb the influx to a reasonable level.

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Not good at all but I'm on the other end of that stick. I've been trying to move to the US for the last 10 (!!) years but it's impossible for me as a legal, law abiding and honest person to do it. You might hate me for it, but if I was offered a job under a H1-B visa but with only 80% of the salary I'd jump on it...

I thought I made it all the way this Christmas when Google flew me over for final interviews but lost to a Harvard top 10 guy lol. Even had the relocation package negotiated. So back to trying my luck with the diversity lotto - or if anyone of you feel that you want to be my sponsor - please contact me

Sincerest thanks for trying to do this legally, I know it's hard. I hope that it works out for you.

 

[Budnicks]

Oh, good Lord, Steve, that is a full repeat of every Lefty talking point out there! The "fact" that they "do the jobs Americans don't want" is pure, unadulterated bullshit! I can provide MANY examples of how employers that do not care if they hire illegals at all (construction comes to mind!), have driven down the cost of labor by hiring illegals that will work for half the money of a legal worker...and I am NOT talking about union workers, but independent contractors and such that even ten years ago, were making a great wage. My brother is in construction, and among the very best in his trade. He's worked on some of the costliest homes in a Rocky Mountain state. Now, the illegals have undercut him and the other, highly skilled and talented American workers. Is that fair? Is that one of your jobs Americans won't do??? Seriously, get a handle on reality and dump that meme you are trying to foist on a public who is quite tired of our country getting overridden by cheap imported, illegal laborers. Our Congresscritters are vested in keeping the illegal status quo, and Il Duce sure as hell isn't gonna pass up a chance to register millions of illegals as Democrats. Bet on that!

A local roofer I hired two years ago had a full crew of non-English speaking Guatamalans on my roof doing the job. I asked him about hiring illegals, and he fully admitted it to me that he did, and indeed, sought them out! No workers comp, no overtime, no benefits - hell, he's making money hand over fist! He's paying them less that min wage. And do you think our gub-mint will go after him??? No way in hell!

Oh, and how about those 80K Syrians getting a free "refugee" pass into the US now? No Christians, mind you, just adherents of that wondrous "religion of peace"...will THEY be taking more of these jobs you claim Americans don't want??? Well, wait, about 99.999998% of Americans don't want to be homicide bombers, so I'll give you that one

Very well said, we see the very same thing here...

IMO it has absolutely nothing to do with wanting to do a job
"that some illegal is willing to do", with possibly being migrant farm workers,
being the "1" exception to the rules...
You can't get a farming job, unless your an illegal out here, even if you were willing & capable to do what the migrant workers are doing, for the pay they get...
By the way for those that want to make an argument, they are Unionized here too...

As someone who actually ran & owned my own construction related business
and a couple of other co.'s including retail & service industry,
not just worked for some else, as a hourly employee...
I had both Union hourly & non-Union piece work employees, most of were ex-Union...
I can attest to all the labor issues, I adhered to all the laws, BUT
I chose never to employe any illegals ever, no social security card,
no birth certificate or no drivers license, than no job...
Many of my competitors Union & Non-Union alike did all hire illegals,
it's all greed plain & simple...

Ever pull up to a Lowes or Home depot, any big building supply centers etc.,
or oven 7-11 stores out here, with a lumber rack on your truck ?

I saw the same thing also in other states I did projects;
Kansas Texas Oklahoma Colorado Oregon Washington Arizona Nevada etc.

You'll get swarmed by illegals & day-working immigrants, most non-English speaking,
mostly all skirting the system/taxes too, no W2's No 1099's, but all of them using
our infrastructure, roads, housing/mostly all in apartments & they pay no property taxes,
just taxes on goods they buy & or even using section 8 subsidies & our hospitals/mainly the Emergency rooms, even much of our welfare/state subsidies...

IMO the people employing housing harboring & protecting them illegals,
are just as guilty, just as bad IMO...

I know it's a big issue out here, especially in the Inner-cities, it's especially "Rampant"
in the SF Bay Area, but also all over San Jose, Modesto, Salinas/Monterey,
Sacramento & much, much worse especially in LA & San Diego areas...
Just go a little east of that coastal regions out here, it become far less of the norm,
just mainly the inner-city masses stronghold, sanctuary cities etc.,
Brown, Waters, Boxer, Feinstein & Pelosi's realms, we all what/who they are &
who run them, they are the real problem's...

Thanks for posting that & confirming it's not just here...

 

[steve from staten island]

Conservatives talk about minimum wage jobs starting from the bottom and working your way up or if you don't like your low paying job go elsewhere. Ive said the exact same thing Pat said in other threads yet i was labeled the evil liberal. I would ask that why for the most part we still see hispanic workers from third world countries doing work that years ago was done by Americans. Ive worked side by side and still do with these people and all of them think white/black American born people are lazy. Ive been recently the only guy on a job that did not speak spainish and they size you up to see how you work. On one job the yard boss was a mexican,after i was there a day and a half i was ok as i produced and did quality work. When you add in the fact that these people live in crowded or conditions we'd never live in plus work cheap you understand why we can't compete. The government still to this day looks the other way with illegals,they pay zero tax's,there woman go to the hospitals and have babies,get all kinds of freebies and we pay. So whats the alternative? Kick them out? Three quarters of small business would collapse to say nothing of who would bus the tables at your local dinner. Thats were our country is at

 

[GearAddict]

"Three quarters of small business would collapse"

and 74.9% of all statistics are made up

 

[Richard Cranium]

I always believe in being proactive, so I just ordered up a new company hat for the next future hire....

 

[bee71]

Guys,we have pro business Rick Scott as our governor as crooked as a business person there ever was.

 

[steve from staten island]

Guys,we have pro business Rick Scott as our governor as crooked as a business person there ever was.

You mean the Rick Scott who was involved with the Medicare scandal? Maybe he can get those laid off Disney employees jobs at all those hospitals washing dish's and doing the laundry.

 

[67GTX440]

Hiring a foreigner on a work visa is like getting an indentured servant for five years. The employer holds the visa and the employee can't bitch about salary, workload, working conditions etc. without fear of losing their job and potential deportation. Many come to the US by first coming to Canada as it is easier to get a work visa there. Once they get into Canada, they can try to get into the US. Companies with a presence in both countries play it both ways.

Those who think that corporations will do the right thing in the absence of outside pressure to do so from unions, government regulation etc. are kidding themselves. Unions have some bad attributes, but were responsible for a strong middle class in the US at one time. The middle class has not had real wage growth for quite some time.

There are many in the US qualified to fill these work visa positions. They just don't work as cheap or are not willing to take the amount of abuse that a foreigner will. Most foreigners are also bilingual which can be a benefit to a firm with a multi-cultural customer base. Most Americans are not.

 

[steve from staten island]

Hiring a foreigner on a work visa is like getting an indentured servant for five years. The employer holds the visa and the employee can't bitch about salary, workload, working conditions etc. without fear of losing their job and potential deportation. Many come to the US by first coming to Canada as it is easier to get a work visa there. Once they get into Canada, they can try to get into the US. Companies with a presence in both countries play it both ways.

Those who think that corporations will do the right thing in the absence of outside pressure to do so from unions, government regulation etc. are kidding themselves. Unions have some bad attributes, but were responsible for a strong middle class in the US at one time. The middle class has not had real wage growth for quite some time.

There are many in the US qualified to fill these work visa positions. They just don't work as cheap or are not willing to take the amount of abuse that a foreigner will. Most foreigners are also bilingual which can be a benefit to a firm with a multi-cultural customer base. Most Americans are not.

Thank you for that post,i think it was right on the money. Id only add the more one looks into who supports bringing in foreign workers to replace Americans the more one will get disgusted with both parties. I know I'm getting to that point,i might be there already.

 

[snakeoil24]

Seems Disney is yet another corporation taking advantage of bringing in cheaper H-1B workers (foreigners on work visas) to substitute for Americans. To try and up profits they have quietly brought in foreigners to Orlando (vice transferring the jobs overseas) to replace the American employees...and made it a stipulation that the employees train their replacements in order to receive a severance package! I don't see this as 'helping' our economy...especially when park prices still go up. More of the 'stupidly rich' trying to get richer I guess.

Remember this when considering that big trip to go see Mickey and Donald. My grandson will NOT see the Disney characters on my dime!

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/la...ain-foreign-replacements/ar-BBkE3Ud?ocid=iehp

Steve from Staten Island no comment?Disney is the Mecca of liberalism! Sounds like your democrat buddies are selling you out! Don't get disgusted with republicans focus on libtards at Disney!

 

[Richard Cranium]

Well, I've given up on hiring a decent American so I just hired myself a wetback....

 

[patrick66]

Pat,you ever work next to a illegal? Ever actually talk to one who crossed the boarder illegally?

First, in my work, you'll never see an illegal. Second question...yes, I have. The FACT that they broke the law coming in ILLEGALLY does not make their work somehow "noble" or "right". They are here ILLEGALLY! By definition, they should not be here at all, regardless of the "why" they're here! I can't understand why the apologists for them can't understand this simple, salient FACT.

Tell ya what, Steve. Walk across the border ILLEGALLY INTO Mexico. Try to get a job, start a business, buy property, or any of the things THEY get away with here in the US. The Federales will throw you IN JAIL, without delay; and then deport you sometime within 30 days to a year, depending on when they feel like it! That is a guaranteed FACT.

Once you understand that the Mexican government wants us to absorb their population into our country without restrictions or sanctions, the quicker we as a nation will be able to survive and eliminate this crisis. We've already taken in nearly 25% of their population - that's right, 25%!!! Stop this nonsense now!

 

[bigmanjbmopar]

Did you report him to the state contractors board?

Here is how we do it. As a contractor and a employee of a contractor this is some BS if the project is over $500 they need to be legal!

http://www.cslb.ca.gov/Consumers/Re.../How_Can_I_Report_Unlicensed_Contractors.aspx

A local roofer I hired two years ago had a full crew of non-English speaking Guatamalans on my roof doing the job. I asked him about hiring illegals, and he fully admitted it to me that he did, and indeed, sought them out! No workers comp, no overtime, no benefits - hell, he's making money hand over fist! He's paying them less that min wage. And do you think our gub-mint will go after him??? No way in hell!

Oh, good Lord, Steve, that is a full repeat of every Lefty talking point out there! The "fact" that they "do the jobs Americans don't want" is pure, unadulterated bullshit! I can provide MANY examples of how employers that do not care if they hire illegals at all (construction comes to mind!), have driven down the cost of labor by hiring illegals that will work for half the money of a legal worker...and I am NOT talking about union workers, but independent contractors and such that even ten years ago, were making a great wage. My brother is in construction, and among the very best in his trade. He's worked on some of the costliest homes in a Rocky Mountain state. Now, the illegals have undercut him and the other, highly skilled and talented American workers. Is that fair? Is that one of your jobs Americans won't do??? Seriously, get a handle on reality and dump that meme you are trying to foist on a public who is quite tired of our country getting overridden by cheap imported, illegal laborers. Our Congresscritters are vested in keeping the illegal status quo, and Il Duce sure as hell isn't gonna pass up a chance to register millions of illegals as Democrats. Bet on that!

A local roofer I hired two years ago had a full crew of non-English speaking Guatamalans on my roof doing the job. I asked him about hiring illegals, and he fully admitted it to me that he did, and indeed, sought them out! No workers comp, no overtime, no benefits - hell, he's making money hand over fist! He's paying them less that min wage. And do you think our gub-mint will go after him??? No way in hell!

Oh, and how about those 80K Syrians getting a free "refugee" pass into the US now? No Christians, mind you, just adherents of that wondrous "religion of peace"...will THEY be taking more of these jobs you claim Americans don't want??? Well, wait, about 99.999998% of Americans don't want to be homicide bombers, so I'll give you that one

 

[Icecobra]

Pat,you ever work next to a illegal? Ever actually talk to one who crossed the boarder illegally? The fact is these people are here doing jobs that nobody in this country that no one wants to do. Usually that involves actual physical work. The problem stems from the fact that on one side of the political isle, our elected politicians feel that illegals deserve free health car/education/food stamps and more. The other side sticks there finger up there *** and does nothing but bitch and moan. So what happens is non of these illegals pays a dime in tax while i pay plenty. Its always easier to do nothing then to do something,politicians know this all to well

I always have to laugh when it is said they only want to do jobs Americans don't want to do.. There was a time this statement may have had some truth in it. The facts today are horribly different and the truth is illegals are coming and taking American jobs and lively hood. If you don't believe me go to any construction site across America today and see these people taking American jobs and union positions and not paying union dues. This in fact hurts Americans both that want jobs and retired workers that need new union members to pay in to benefits so they can get their benefits. Today illegals don't want to work traditional jobs that illegals were welcome to. Now they want to be carpenters, electricians, plumbers, sheet rockers, painters, masonry workers, roofers, etc. These are not cheap labor with in there own ranks they threaten each other if you work for less than a specific wage we will come to where you sleep and hurt you. They don't want to keep the money earned in the US either. These illegals that are not hurting anyone are sending the lions share of the money to Mexico. These illegals not hurting anyone are working here for 20 to 25 years and saving and leaving back to Mexico where they retire and live out the rest of their lives, knowing if they have any issue head back to the US. Free medical, free dental, free eye care at the expense of the Americans they took money and jobs from... As long as the penalties for hiring illegals and allowing them to work here and providing free education, medical, dental, and health care, food stamps, for the children and wives, are not there then you will have them. Don't get me wrong my problem is not the illegals, it is the Government and employers allowing it to happen.. If employers were fined heavily enough and forced to serve jail time for hiring illegals. Unless you change the reward system it will remain the same. . Americans will be forced to one day live 20 to 30 to a home and move to Mexico to retire...