**** luck!

[747mopar]

I've been pounding away on a restoration for my dad for a few years, nothing fancy (83 D250) but I just want him to have something nice for once but damn.. when will it quit dishing it out!

Going back it was layer after layer of rust, motor was tired, etc, I fixed everything, rebuilt the motor, painted it, blah, blah. It's now in the assembly stage and is still dishing it out. First fire up and it pukes oil all over the floor.. a couple quarts in minutes! After inspecting it it's clear that it's coming from the oil filter or base so I pull the filter.. nothing looks out of place so I pull the filter mounting plate.. again everything looks fine. So I reassemble everything only this time the filter plate gasket gets #2 Permatex on the gasket and a new Wix's filter. No leak now, WTF.. didn't find anything wrong to begin with? Motor runs and sounds great but now a pipe plug in the intake is leaking a bit of antifreeze so I shut it down, fix it and go to fire it back up and now the ballast resistor takes a ****!

Tired of the bullshit I pull the glass out so at least I can get the front and rear windows in it but whataya know, windshield has a chip in it now and the rear sliding glass needs completely rebuilt.. rubber seals are cracks and shrunk to the point they're pulling out of the channels!

This is supposed to be the fun part!!

 

[Ironbuilt]

Just smile and pretend that you're having fun.

All kidding aside, just think about how happy your Dad is going to be. That will be priceless. You're a good son, Devin.

 

[440Coronet500]

Keep at it, your Dad will appreciate it and you will be happy. A memory neither will forget! 440'

 

[69Bee]

Just an fyi, the oil filter plate uses an approximately 4" round gasket with nothing in the center. If a gasket with material in the center, the oil filter stud, which is torqued to 45 ft/lbs, cannot be tightened enough to seal the outer part of the plate, thus creating a major leak. With the correct gasket in place, and stud tightened, there is enough pressure exerted on the outer gasket ring to seal it. I use copper coat on it, but it is Teflon coated, so can go on dry. For only an oil filter adapter plate, only the larger ring is used. When a 90 degree adapter is used, all three are used. The thicker cork goes under the adapter on the center bolt and the thinner gasket goes on the center bolt to seal to the outside of the adapter. The larger ring is used the same on both applications.

 

[1STMP]

Bottom line is....don't quit! You've evidently set
goals as to what you or your dad will accept.
Keep 'em.
I've been working on a project for 26 years.
and it ain't nowhere near where I want it to be.
The best thing about it is my son has been there
with me, every step of the way. Something he'll
remember long after I'm gone.

 

[747mopar]

Just smile and pretend that you're having fun.

All kidding aside, just think about how happy your Dad is going to be. That will be priceless. You're a good son, Devin.

The funny part is when these projects are completed we tend to tell ourselves how fun they were.

 

[747mopar]

Just an fyi, the oil filter plate uses an approximately 4" round gasket with nothing in the center. If a gasket with material in the center, the oil filter stud, which is torqued to 45 ft/lbs, cannot be tightened enough to seal the outer part of the plate, thus creating a major leak. With the correct gasket in place, and stud tightened, there is enough pressure exerted on the outer gasket ring to seal it. I use copper coat on it, but it is Teflon coated, so can go on dry. For only an oil filter adapter plate, only the larger ring is used. When a 90 degree adapter is used, all three are used. The thicker cork goes under the adapter on the center bolt and the thinner gasket goes on the center bolt to seal to the outside of the adapter. The larger ring is used the same on both applications.

View attachment 1136348

Hmmm, the gasket that came in the Felpro kit was a complete gasket, large diameter and inside diameter as one with 3 thin strips connecting them? I was suspicious of what you mentioned.. not sealing because one was bottoming before the other so I held the plate against with no gasket and it touched on the I.D and O.D so I reinstalled it. No leaks, I need to look that filter over.

 

[747mopar]

Bottom line is....don't quit! You've evidently set
goals as to what you or your dad will accept.
Keep 'em.
I've been working on a project for 26 years.
and it ain't nowhere near where I want it to be.
The best thing about it is my son has been there
with me, every step of the way. Something he'll
remember long after I'm gone.

I don't know the word quit especially this far into it, hoping to wrap it up this month. My dad isn't setting the goals here, he would drive a ragged out turd and not care one bit so it's on me for wanting him to have something nice for once lol.

 

[Hey-O]

The funny part is when these projects are completed we tend to tell ourselves how fun they were.

Been there, some days you feel like a hero and some a zero. One foot in front of the other to the end, or should I say a new beginning. As my father would have said, you're a good boy.............

 

[toolmanmike]

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[747mopar]

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View attachment 1136454

Here's what the plate and gasket look like.

 

[Budnicks]

Sometimes the old car/truck & the labor of love
'ain't so much fun'
especially in 100* heat or sub-freezing temps
no big deal when stuff goes right, but when it doesn't

I think sometimes I'm just a glutton for punishment
I want to do another project & mine will never truly 'be done'
there's always something...
If I had more room I'd be in trouble...

I'm such a glutton for punishment...
I helped guide my neighbor with his 68 Jeep CJ5 project
a full years worth & still going...
He does most of the work (I'm good at spending his $$)
I just try & mostly teach/guide or help him, an extra hand
or someone to bounce ideas off, my tools he doesn't have
or to know what to do...
But let him learn by hands-on...
His young son (10 y/o) is showing interest in cars/mechanics too...
I enjoy the time spent, I think he does too...

WE say it all the time;
"don't you love these old cars"
sort of jokingly, while sitting around after drinking a cold beer
but we're right back at it the next weekend
or next day he has off etc.

must be a labor of love

He loves that old Jeep
(it was his fathers, his whole build is a tribute to what it was
back in the 80's, when his mother was still involved & alive)
I see in him some of what I do & the love when it works out
& the damn frustrations when it doesn't or something breaks
or fails down the road, that really shouldn't have broken or failed
so soon etc.

I miss the comradery of the guys/race buddies coming over
to bench race & BS, BBQ have a family/friends get-togethers
(usually, some beer or booze & food/snacks involved)
while we wrenched on stuff, spent god only knows how many hrs...
A bunch of kids around the pool, the ladies helping, chatting or laughing at Us...
I moved away from most of them twice 1st in 1997 & again in 2005...
I think that's what really kept me going...

@747mopar I check in on your thread every so often on
www.fortrucksonly.com
I commend you on your quest to do this for your father...

 

[F4R/T]

The journey of a million miles begins with the first step! Always tell yourself it could be worse..!

 

[70chall440]

I know this sucks but it is basically "the norm" when it comes to building vehicles. There are always gremlins that will present themselves that you have to contend with. I know that "on tv" they thrash for 50 minutes (viewed time) and flame the car up and the next thing you see is them hauling *** down some road. Well, that is NOT reality, there are always things that do not go as expected especially when you don't do this everyday and for a living.

 

[1STMP]

I think just about every build coughs up these
problems.
I picked a rare build. During a move to a
different state, someone thought my vin
plate looked cool I guess. They stole it off
the cab. Plus a suitcase full of the body parts
and the paperwork for the truck.
I ended up buying a whole different cab to
keep the project going, since the chassis
was complete. Major setback.
To far into it to quit.
Keep at it. You'll eventually get all of the
problems taken care of.

 

[747mopar]

And now the windshield is broken! It had a chip in it, I didn't want to use it but dad said put er in so I did... well almost. I had it 3/4 of the way done and was working the top corner in holding pressure on it and chink, cracked across the corner. Rip it out and throw it out back in the scrap Pile!

You know it isn't really the setbacks as much as it's the money, another $200.

 

[747mopar]

I know this sucks but it is basically "the norm" when it comes to building vehicles. There are always gremlins that will present themselves that you have to contend with. I know that "on tv" they thrash for 50 minutes (viewed time) and flame the car up and the next thing you see is them hauling *** down some road. Well, that is NOT reality, there are always things that do not go as expected especially when you don't do this everyday and for a living.

I fully expect gremlins but I've never had a motor dump oil everywhere.

 

[69Bee]

Here's what the plate and gasket look like.View attachment 1136478 View attachment 1136479

That is the one I am talking about. It is incorrect for a normal filter plate. I had the guys next door to me at work have the exact same problem, and they had used the exact same gasket. You should have used the third gasket (two to the right) of that one. The one next to the one you used (second one) is a smidge larger in diameter, and have not seen an application yet to use the larger one.

 

[747mopar]

That is the one I am talking about. It is incorrect for a normal filter plate. I had the guys next door to me at work have the exact same problem, and they had used the exact same gasket. You should have used the third gasket (two to the right) of that one. The one next to the one you used (second one) is a smidge larger in diameter, and have not seen an application yet to use the larger one.

I just pulled that picture from Summits website since it had the gasket that I used in it, it's been so long that I don't remember if the kit I bought had the other options? The one I used fit the plate perfectly and sat down in the machined recess as well? Like I said before putting it back in I put the plate in dry and it touched on the I.D and O.D surface so one would think it would work? It's sealed now with that gasket, ran it long enough to bring it up to temperature, oil pressure looked good, no leaks? I'll keep an eye on it.

Thanks Devin

 

[747mopar]

Gremlins continue.. Lovin it! I figured I'd take a break from the the exterior and motor work that's been going so well and tackle the stereo so I can put the instrument bezel in and have something complete. Put my meter on the stereo feed wires and nothing on either. I trace one down using the FSM and whataya know it goes to the headlight switch.. turn the switch on and voila but I don't need an instrument light activated wire so no real help. Trace the next one down and find I have a bad ignition switch! I just completely went through that damn thing.. guess I should have tested the switch but it did work so I didn't.