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Random question regarding distributor…probably most likely a stupid one

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Keep in mind, I have no experience with these things..and may be slightly retarded..

But if you start the car, and very slightly turn the distributor, can you hear if it runs better or worse?
 
No stupid questions here, everyone starts learning about these cars sometime. You don't find the sarcasm and negative comments here like you do on social media. Ask away, this is the one of the most helpful groups I have ever been a part of.
 
Do it, go and rotate the distributor around each direction and see what it does to the running of the engine. You can't really hurt anything idling in the driveway. You can get to where you can get the timing very close just by ear. Be careful when you first start trying this you will be too advanced and it will ping when driving.
 
No stupid questions here, everyone starts learning about these cars sometime. You don't find the sarcasm and negative comments here like you do on social media. Ask away, this is the one of the most helpful groups I have ever been a part of.
Come on, man. That is being very nice but also very wrong.
There are a LOT of stupid questions asked by people. THIS question isn't one of them though. Yes, we all start off not knowing anything and develop skills and experience over time.
I ask stupid questions sometimes because I am the curious type and I'm not afraid to ask questions to learn things.
Back on point....
In some cases, turning the distributor at idle a slight amount may not make any difference in the idle speed. Tame engines like a stock slant six or 318 are very tolerant of some variance in timing. A high performance engine is more sensitive to timing changes.
I struggle with electrical stuff sometimes so when I ask a question about those matters, I also have trouble understanding the terminology in the advice.
Having stated that, I'll respond this way:
Turning the distributor makes the sparks in the engine occur earlier or later than they should. If you turn the distributor far enough, the engine will stall out.
Good luck with the car.
 
Just about any Chrys engine that used a dist [ with stock initial timing ] will benefit from advancing the timing. However, if you advance the dist......because it idles better....& leave it there, then the timing is also advanced at WOT. And that can cause detonation unless the centrifugal curve inside the dist is shortened. When cams with more duration, &/or lower comp ratios, are used, more timing at idle can be used & the improvement becomes veeeeeery noticeable.
 
I was trying to avoid going too far and burying the OP with more than he was ready to read.
I mean no disrespect and am not trying to insult him. I will add though that Geoff is right....an engine with a more aggressive camshaft will respond a lot more favorably to additional timing advance.
Also, in the simplest way I can explain it, all Mopar distributors have a mechanism where as the engine speed increases, it slowly starts moving the point where the spark occurs earlier and earlier in the combustion cycle. This is called an advance curve because if you print out a graph of it, sometimes it looks like a curve like this:

Curve 2.jpeg


Many distributors have an advance curve that totals as much as 28 degrees. This means if you are set to 5 degrees of advance at idle, as the engine speeds increase, eventually the distributor will add 28 degrees MORE for a total of 33 degrees of advance before top dead center.

Say you have a stock 318, a 383 maybe. At idle, the cylinders get a spark around 5-6 degrees before the pistons are at the top of the cylinders. As engine speeds increase, that spark needs to happen sooner since the pistons are moving faster. That is advance.
Engines with aggressive camshafts are less efficient at idle than stock engines so they need more ignition advance at idle than a stock engine. Mine, for example has 19-20 degrees advance at idle.
 
Thanks for the responses! It sounded logical that it could be done but the last few posts confirm my suspicions and why I shouldn’t touch it haha. I have a 383 that has been altered- but I have no idea what exactly is in it (bought it that way).

It’s running fine right now but I was installing new spark wires and it was just one of those thoughts that pop in your head and seems like it might be fun to mess with. I best leave it alone for now I think haha
 
Hi from Pittsburgh, not that far to Youngstown.. Might this be your first classic car ? Above comments are right, you can't hurt anything at idle in driveway, but you can mess things up if it's already running well. So.. if you want to play around with it, put some reference marks on the base of the distributor so you can get back to close to where you were when all was good.
Lots of of information here and on the internet about this. Learn as much as you can about timing and invest in a timing light. They are not that expensive, and learn how to use it. Improper timing can cause other engine problems that might not be immediately evident when setting your timing.
 
Is it a points or an electronic distributor? If you really want to play with the timing and how it performs, get a good, dial-back timing light like an Innova. And if points, you need to check first that the dwell is in spec before setting timing. Some models of the Innova read points dwell in addition to tach rpm and system voltage.
 
For anyone wanting to change settings. Check with a timing light and write down where you are set right now. Check timing with hot engine choke open, same RPM, as RPM changes timing. Marking base of distributor is fine but not as accurate.

Also put a vacuum gauge on the manifold vacuum port and watch that as you change timing and carb mixture srpcrews. Vacuum is important and it can help set up the timing and carb.
 
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The post above about making a reference mark is very good advice. After many years I still do that with a piece of chalk ect.
Mark the base flange of the distributor and follow onto the engine .
Also after moving the distributor remember to tighten the clamp before a test drive.
 
Yeah real close, I go to Pittsburgh all the time! Yep this is my first classic car so it’s what I’m learning everything on.

It’s an MSD

Ok I’ll buy a light and learn how to do it. Even if I don’t end up messing with anything it’s good stuff to know.
 
Yeah real close, I go to Pittsburgh all the time! Yep this is my first classic car so it’s what I’m learning everything on.

It’s an MSD

Ok I’ll buy a light and learn how to do it. Even if I don’t end up messing with anything it’s good stuff to know.
Get a dwell meter and tach too.
 
Sooooo, the engine has been modified but you are unsure of what has been done.....

If you want to 'play' to see if it can run better, the FIRST thing you should do is measure idle vacuum, in gear if auto trans. Report back.
 
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