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I know there is a lot you can do to make a car handle better. I have 69RR 440 car it has front and rear sway bars all new bushings and joints. going to install torq.blocks and subframe connectors. weld in lower control arm stiffeners firm fell stage three box bilsten shocks tubular upper control arms bigger tor. bars. Can you think of anything ealse I can do to make car handle like newer vec or is this just over kill. I do really want your guys and gals input. Thanks for any help you have all been great in the past Thanks steve
 
The USCartool subfame connectors, Hotchkiss-tuned Bilsteins and Firm Feel transformed my 69 Coronet. You are on track. The other change that made a huge difference was the install of late model bucket seats and the Momo JPS reduced dish and diameter steering wheel. Don't underestimate ergomonics. I have stage 1 ff and would go with stage 2 nexxt time. Stage 3 may be a little stiff for a smaller steering wheel. Personal preference here.
 
im no expert, but i think you got it covered. youre driving a 4000 pound car,,,,thats 2 tons of steel..... and its 17 feet long....im not sure it will handle any better than it does right now. Mopars go fast in a straight line....nobody ever promised any " corvette" handling properties . good luck
 
Thanks guys it does go fast in straight line. But I live in mountain area and would love to drive fast and eat a vet or two Steve
 
The USCartool subfame connectors, Hotchkiss-tuned Bilsteins and Firm Feel transformed my 69 Coronet. You are on track. The other change that made a huge difference was the install of late model bucket seats and the Momo JPS reduced dish and diameter steering wheel. Don't underestimate ergomonics. I have stage 1 ff and would go with stage 2 nexxt time. Stage 3 may be a little stiff for a smaller steering wheel. Personal preference here.

What this guy said! Sizing down the steering wheel from a stock 16" to 15" aftermarket wheel will help some, but I tried a 13.5" and it was way too small. I also have Firm Feel stage II in my '68 Satellite and it's actually a little too heavy feeling for me. I think stage III for a street car probably wouldn't be to your liking. Note that on the Firm Feel website they describe the stage I as having the cop car feel. This stage I is firmer than a stock power steering for the roadrunner. Stage II is not bad, but just a little more than the power steering in my honda or my wife's Nissan Murano and WAY more than the power steering in a stock Belvedere and old '67 chevy I used to have.

You're on the right track with the torque boxes and subframe connectors. Those really made my car feel a lot more solid. Consider the subframe connectors from Global West. They are tubular, which are stronger than square channel, and weld at each end instead of along the entire floor board and are what I have in mine. They're excellent. You can tell a noticeable difference. You've already got sway bars front and rear so that's good.

I have .092" torsion bars in mine right now and they were a good replacement for my stock .088's but they could go to .096 and it would be a bit better. Don't go above 1.0" torsion bars or you'll jar your teeth out when driving on the street. You want a little bit of compliance. For example, Hotchkis offers 1.03" bars, but these are VERY stiff, more than 1.0" bars. For every .004" up in diameter it increases stiffness by something like 14%. I would go with either .096" or 1.00" here! Don't forget the torsion bar boots and clips.

I also have Hotchkis UCA's and their steering rods as well, which are supposed to reduce bump steer and allows me to dial in +4.5 degrees caster. The Hotchkis UCA's are not noticeably lighter than my stock UCA's, which surprised me. I would do these UCA's and steering rods as last priority. They also offer rigid heim joint strut rods. I had them on at first and then removed them and put on new rubber bushing stock strut rods. The Hotchkis ones felt awesome on smooth roads, but in the bumpy streets of san jose I was afraid it would jar the car too much.

What leaf springs will you use in the rear? Stock should be good if they're not worn out. I wouldn't go for the Super Stock SS springs for handling and those make your car sit up higher as well. Those are supposed to be great for drag racing though.
 
I know there is a lot you can do to make a car handle better. I have 69RR 440 car it has front and rear sway bars all new bushings and joints. going to install torq.blocks and subframe connectors. weld in lower control arm stiffeners firm fell stage three box bilsten shocks tubular upper control arms bigger tor. bars. Can you think of anything ealse I can do to make car handle like newer vec or is this just over kill. I do really want your guys and gals input. Thanks for any help you have all been great in the past Thanks steve

Boxing the lower control arms with welded plates is a must if you have a front sway bar. Good call here.

What UCA's are you thinking of? Keep us posted on what you do and how it feels before and after.

I'm also going to swap my headers out for HP manifolds, which will allow me to order the quick-ratio pitman and idler arms offered by Firm Feel , which should make a big difference as well. Was also thinking about their Sector support kit, which helps take flex out of the steering gear box.

Keep in mind that although some of these modifications will greatly improve the handling of your B body, it will never have the handling and feel of a modern car. The geometry and independent suspension is just not there, unless you go with a full front RMS or Magnum Force chassis unit, but those are BIG money. This guy named Dan runs Autocross in his '68 RR with the Hotchkis Total Vehicle System and good shocks and says it handles exceptionally well.

By the way, Magnum Force also offers 2-inch drop spindles for the front and I have them on my car. You don't need these if you are going to keep the car flat and level, but I wanted a slight rake in mine without having to turn down the torsion bars and lose the torsion bar full spring benefit. Try without drop spindles first and see if you're happy.

The other thing that can fight you as I know from personal experience is if you are running the same size tires on all 4 corners or if you have big in the back and slightly shorter in the front. I have the big and littles and am considering going to 255/60/15 for all 4 to better balance the car out.
 
I am using almost the identical set up 68 runner. Only thing Im doing different is I purchased a quick ratio pitman arm from Firm Feel & went with .096 tortion bars. also added new leafs in the rear with a sway bar. Mines not gonna be hittin the road for awhile though so let me know your results & if you are happy with them. I was concerned with overkill to. Im wanting a better handling,stiffer suspension but i dont want a rough ride either.I forgot to mention i also fully welded & gusseted my K member. Iv heard it helps a lot.
 
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Thanks guys 68Sport not sure whatusc I will run I like the idea of the tube type subframe connectors are they as strong as the full weld in thats seems like a lot less welding thNKS STEVE
 
Opinions may vary on which is stronger, but I think the difference is negligible due to the main shape being tubular which is a more rigid shape that resists flexing and twisting better. Under the car they won't look as clean as the square channel full weld, but inside on the floor is what I didn't want to worry about with maybe warping the relatively thin floor and having to do post weld grinding on all of that. Definitely don't get bolt on type since those can rattle loose. The global west connectors fit my car perfect and weld up to the cross members. The install requires notching a small 2 inch or so spot out of one metal edge so the tubes sit up nice and tight against the floor.

I don't think you will regret it if you get these. :headbang:
 
I am using almost the identical set up 68 runner. Only thing Im doing different is I purchased a quick ratio pitman arm from Firm Feel & went with .096 tortion bars. also added new leafs in the rear with a sway bar. Mines not gonna be hittin the road for awhile though so let me know your results & if you are happy with them. I was concerned with overkill to. Im wanting a better handling,stiffer suspension but i dont want a rough ride either.I forgot to mention i also fully welded & gusseted my K member. Iv heard it helps a lot.
Yep the front and rear sway bars helped mine a lot. I am interested to hear feedback on driving improvement with the quick ratio pitman and idler arms.
 
Something that will be very important but I don't see it mentioned...what tires will you be using? Get something sticky like Michelin Pilot Super Sports and you'll be quite satisfied. Especially if it ever rains.
 
you are correct on that one. Tires and wheels are one of the most important things for handling. What sucks is that many of us, me included, prefer 15" tires on our cars and I'm running raised white letter tires to boot (Mickey Thompson Sportsman S/T). That limits me a lot. I sure would love to run 17's with some Nitto 555's or Michelin's, but I'm not a big fan of the look on my car.
Maybe I should drive my car with a set and see if it changes my mind. I don't see the tires when I'm driving anyway!
 
I have a Hotchkis TVS, shackles, with Firm Feel greasable pivot arms and 1.06 torsion bars and all new ball joints etc.

I drive daily in Tulsa Oklahoma notirouse for the worst roads in the country. Even without the correct bilsteans designed for the 1" drop my car rides fine. It is also a blast in the corners, I can let go of the wheel at 85 confidently etc. Great ride all around even with 225/70/14's.
 
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