Teslas are literally death traps.

[Kern Dog]

HOW **** like that passed the safety standards is a mystery.

 

[Dennis H]

HOW **** like that passed the safety standards is a mystery.

Standardized yet innovative is the challenge. How did the Rotary Dial gear selector in the 300C ever get by? It requires a glance unlike the typical selector easily done by rote.

 

[jimbosride]

I saw first hand this week the bullschit my step son and his girlfriend went through essentially planning their whole days around charging the car,I would rather throw a few bucks in the tank as needed everyday,all day! The low maintenance claims are erased quickly when the car needs a 25 grand battery replacement!

Looks like the wrong car for them.

 

[jimbosride]

HOW **** like that passed the safety standards is a mystery.

 

[Detective D]

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This is very different then the door handle thing.
Buyers of this car would have a reasonable expectation that the car would meet impact safety like any other car on the road, nothing about the design would stand out as a flaw or potential disaster at a glance, or during a test drive, or any type of reasonable pre-sale inspection.

In the case of the push button door release of the tesla, "how do I get out if the battery is dead?" should be a question a potential buyer would have when viewing the electric actuator design for the first time, as you can't complete a test drive without being exposed to it. Battery being dead should be a self evident scenario on a car powered entirely by battery especially when consideration is needed about charging it and range etc.

Personally, I don't care if they are a stupid design, caveat emptor, but I also would not buy it. People need to learn a lesson I guess. Apparently a lot more people have never experienced a failed power window or door lock actuator then I had imagined. So now they have to learn about that this way.
And hell if I want to pay for their lesson.

 

[jimbosride]

You think they would label it?

 

[BrannonS64]

My two daily drivers

 

[Dennis H]

My two daily drivers

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Earth and Mars!

 

[69conv]

I've ridden in several tesla ubers in Phoenix and Las Vegas. I never knew. They need to be sued.

 

[69conv]

Ripping off the speaker cover and fishing around for a lever while the car is on fire? Are you kidding me? All the meaningless regulations about cars and this flies? My Durango was recalled because the rear spoiler might interfere with the hatchback being raised. Wasn't even a problem on my suv, they were just checking.

 

[Coelacanth]

Ripping off the speaker cover and fishing around for a lever while the car is on fire? Are you kidding me? All the meaningless regulations about cars and this flies? My Durango was recalled because the rear spoiler might interfere with the hatchback being raised. Wasn't even a problem on my suv, they were just checking.

What's even more troubling to me is...the propensity for EV cars to catch fire, lithium batteries themselves are way more of a risk than I'd ever consider to own one of these.

 

[Photon440]

What's even more troubling to me is...the propensity for EV cars to catch fire, lithium batteries themselves are way more of a risk than I'd ever consider to own one of these.

It's not that they're more prone to catching fire...170,000 gas powered vehicles caught fire in the US last year...it's just that they're more likely to hit the news. It's absolutely true that most gas fires are a lot easier to extinguish though. Things are improving however; back in 1989 there were 459,000 vehicle fires. Could you imagine how clogged up the reporting would be if every one was on the evening news hour?

 

[RemCharger]

It's not that they're prone to catching fire...170,000 gas powered vehicles caught fire in the US last year...it's just that they're more likely to hit the news. It's absolutely true that most gas fires are a lot easier to extinguish though.

I wonder how the comparison would change if A) there were equal # of ice and evs on the road and B) it was limited to only the high voltage batteries and petroleum related fires.
I had a customer show up once that his hub bearing on his gmc self ignited.
That would fall under " gas powered vehicle fires"

 

[Photon440]

I wonder how the comparison would change if A) there were equal # of ice and evs on the road and B) it was limited to only the high voltage batteries and petroleum related fires.
I had a customer show up once that his hub bearing on his gmc self ignited.
That would fall under " gas powered vehicle fires"

Some of those numbers are readily known. If you take 100,000 ICE vehicles, you'll find 1,529 fires vs. 25 fires for 100,000 electric vehicles. I'd guess that if a hub also caught fire on an electric car, it would count as a "EV fire".

 

[69conv]

My friend is a volunteer fireman. Just finished a class on what to do for an ev fire. The answer is drag the car to the middle of a field and let it burn out. Even coating it with gel doesn't work because burning lithium creates its own oxygen.

 

[Photon440]

My friend is a volunteer fireman. Just finished a class on what to do for an ev fire. The answer is drag the car to the middle of a field and let it burn out. Even coating it with gel doesn't work because burning lithium creates its own oxygen.

What happens if there's no field available in the middle of a third floor parking lot?