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Tips on resealing a motor

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I seek your collective wisdom. I have the 383 torn down to the short block and am starting to get things cleaned up for a new set of gaskets. I've looked around the web for pointers, and many of them suggest 'spraying down the engine internals after clean up'. Spray them down with what? Light motor oil? Acetone? I took a set of heads to get hot tanked once and the guy took a belt sander to the gasket surface to 'clean them up'. Should I do that to the block surface as well? I keep vacuuming and wiping out the crud in the cylinders after each cleaning session, but wonder if, when I'm done, I shouldn't flush the motor by spraying it down from the top and letting it all run down through the motor into a pan on the floor?

Thoughts? Thanks!

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Belt sander?!?

You need to make sure that all gasket surfaces are clean and free of any old gasket materials and oils before reassembly.

Regarding engine internals, I wouldn't get too concerned with cleanliness if you didn't do any machine work. If you do hose anything out make sure it's dry before reassembly.
 
If you are working with a person who is using a belt sander to clean the gasket surfaces, you are working with someone who doesn't really know what they are doing. That is as polite as I can get.

There are several books available on building the Chrysler big block engines and you should get and read one before you go any further.
 
If you are working with a person who is using a belt sander to clean the gasket surfaces, you are working with someone who doesn't really know what they are doing. That is as polite as I can get.

There are several books available on building the Chrysler big block engines and you should get and read one before you go any further.

If I could agree with IQ52's statement TEN times I would have, but I can only click on one green "agree" button. "Belt-Sander-Boy" is a complete idiot that is ruining your engine & costing you a lot of money.

To clean the head/block mating surfaces, I use a scraper VERY, VERY gingerly to just remove the gasket pieces & not scratch those surfaces....I'm sure there's an even gentler way. It is critical to have those surfaces perfectly smooth so your head gaskets will seal.

You want to spray down the cylinders with WD-40 (not acetone). The WD-40 just prevents air/moisture from nearly instantly rusting (& ruining) the cylinder bores. I mean, you "could" use acetone to clean it, but follow that up IMMEDIATELY with WD-40 (or motor oil) to just prevent "flash rust".

One way I've done it is to turn the motor over a tiny bit to see which cylinders are headed down. Do your gasket removal/cleaning process on those two cylinders (2 go down at a time), spray with a touch of WD-40 so all the dirt/smutz you just created sticks to the cylinder wall/piston, turn the engine (crank bolt) a bit more, piston moves down, wipe of dirt/smut & repeat. When you do it this will all make sense. You just don't want to have all that dirt/smutz scraping the sides of the cylinders/piston rings. Once a cylinder (or two if cleaning in pairs) is done, immediately re-spray WD-40 to prevent rust.

Also, like 65-440 says, you are literally about a dozen bolts away from a complete rebuild. If you don't have cash for that (I've been there), then at least pop off the main caps (re-torque when done) and rod caps (re-torque when done).... don't switch caps & keep them facing the same direction. Doing this you can inspect the bearings (i.e. good bearings = good oil pressure = long engine life) and if you find any of them scratched up, NOW is the time to replace them. For the pistons/rings...the old "rule of thumb" is that if you can't get a fingernail on the "wear lip" at the top of each cylinder, you can get by without putting new pistons/rings in. (good piston/ring seal = good power). If one/two is bad, now would be the time to re-hone & re-ring those cylinders.

My first engine build was one broken piston (not too bad). I didn't "machine" anything. I bought ONE stock piston & honed that cylinder + two others, but new rings in just those three cylinders & put in a new set of rod/main bearings without machining the crank. It was a "poor-man's rebuild" 383 and I drove it like that for another 3 years & it was still running good when I pulled it out (for a larger, completely rebuilt motor).

Obviously, if you have the cash.... rebuild the whole motor....now is the time.

This is also a good time to change the timing chain, ESPECIALLY if the teeth on your top gear are plastic (some plastic/some steel)
 
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If you are working with a person who is using a belt sander to clean the gasket surfaces, you are working with someone who doesn't really know what they are doing. That is as polite as I can get.

There are several books available on building the Chrysler big block engines and you should get and read one before you go any further.

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A "Platen Head Sander" is not your ordinary belt sander you get from Lowes or Harbor freight. It is a specialized automotive machine shop tool from the not so distant past.

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That being said, I have never wanted to surface heads this way. Stock removal, and squareness to the original surface were not guaranteed in my mind. I have a surface mill and use CBN for cast iron and diamond for aluminum heads. Surface finish is paramount to gasket sealing and gasket longevity.

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This is more accurate (and cost a hell of a lot more, lol...) Anyway, as the others has said, you are almost there to do the whole thing. If money is a concern, get a re-ring kit which includes rings, bearings, and gaskets. Include an oil pump, pickup, and timing chain. Have the cylinders deglazed with a ball hone, NOT a "3 Fingers of Death" flex hone. This is the fastest way to screw up your cylinders. Polish the crank, and the heads should get a valve job and milled as a minimum. If you have the money, do the whole thing properly. It will set you back somewhere around $3500 parts and labor.
 
A "Platen Head Sander" is not your ordinary belt sander you get from Lowes or Harbor freight. It is a specialized automotive machine shop tool from the not so distant past.

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That being said, I have never wanted to surface heads this way. Stock removal, and squareness to the original surface were not guaranteed in my mind. I have a surface mill and use CBN for cast iron and diamond for aluminum heads. Surface finish is paramount to gasket sealing and gasket longevity.

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This is more accurate (and cost a hell of a lot more, lol...) Anyway, as the others has said, you are almost there to do the whole thing. If money is a concern, get a re-ring kit which includes rings, bearings, and gaskets. Include an oil pump, pickup, and timing chain. Have the cylinders deglazed with a ball hone, NOT a "3 Fingers of Death" flex hone. This is the fastest way to screw up your cylinders. Polish the crank, and the heads should get a valve job and milled as a minimum. If you have the money, do the whole thing properly. It will set you back somewhere around $3500 parts and labor.

Thanks 69! If it's that kind of belt sander (I'd never seen one like that), then maybe "belt-sander-boy" is just old-school & not an idiot. THANKS.
 
Thanks for all the input. The 'belt sander incident' was several years ago when I was swapping heads on a GM 6.2 diesel. I thought it was unusual at the time, but didn't know any better. It went back together and ran great until I sold it a year later. It sounds like that method was 'old school' but not recommended. The 383 I'm working on is out of a '64 Polara and was rebuilt at some point as it has .040 pistons. Everything looks really good although the cylinders are shiny and have no traces of hone remaining. The lips of the cylinders have a barely perceptible ridge with a fingertip - can't hook it at all with a fingernail. There was quite a bit a carbon buildup on the pistons and the valves, but it all cleaned up nicely. Looks like the timing set was replaced during the last rebuild, good shape, all steel. Not sure about the camshaft and lifters, but the heads appear to be sporting replacement springs.

I'm just looking to do a step above a 'paint job overhaul' by slapping in all new gaskets ($75) and run it as-is and I can maybe drive this car this summer.

It seems like the engine rebuild kits I've seen indicate 1967 and up, but fewer include older engine years, so I wonder if the '64 is worth the investment?
 
X4 on the belt sander.

You could flush it out with kerosene if needed, I'd at least try to get all of the black sludge buildup out. For the deck a small scrotchbrite pad on a Die grinder works very well.

As for sealing I'd recommend gluing any cork gaskets down with contact cement. There's several brands that offer adhesive sealants just for this. Check valve covers and the pan with a straight edge and dolly out any puckers from being over tightened and don't be the next one to over tighten them:thumbsup:.
 
That's funny: "why try to get away with spending $75 on gaskets when you can spend $3500 and get it rebuilt"! Why not just chuck it all in the trash and buy a crate motor for $9000 - or a vintage 426 Hemi for $25,000? :lol:

Thanks all -I really appreciate the input. I'll let you know how it goes!
 
By the way - any recommended mopar-friendly machine shops in the Pacific Northwest?
 
If you are working with a person who is using a belt sander to clean the gasket surfaces, you are working with someone who doesn't really know what they are doing. That is as polite as I can get.

There are several books available on building the Chrysler big block engines and you should get and read one before you go any further.


I have this one on the way - seems like I'd read it was recommended here a couple of times.
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I have pulled off the poor mans re gasket before on a slant six as a broke high schooler. Started off as a valve seal replace, took the head to a machinist to tank and surface. I cleaned and re installed the valves, springs, keepers and locks. The motor outlasted the body unfortunately but it ran quite a bit better without the oil caked valves.

Good luck, let us know how it turns out.
 
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