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Trunk torsion rods - 67 Coronet 2 door

whateg01

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I'm new here, but I've searched the web, including here, and am just not finding much, so here goes. Dad has a 67 Coronet R/T that has been frame off restored. All is good except the trunk lid won't stay open. I've talked to a bunch of owners at various shows and everybody says it should. Well, yeah. That's why I'm looking for a way to make it happen. I didn't do the work on it; he and my brother did. He says that it stayed up until he put the rear trim panel on. I don't know how much filler is in it, but IIRC, it was pretty straight before, so there shouldn't be much. He has replaced the torsion rods with a set that came off of another car where the trunk lid did stay open. The diameter is ~0.406". Neither set will keep the trunk lid open. I've had people tell me that it's because the little nylon blocks are missing, but they aren't. I have had people tell me to use the adjustment slots, but it's on the "strongest" setting now.

I've found people running into this issue on other car models, and they have cut the torsion rods and welded them back together. Or they have cobbled in some gas struts. We are trying to keep this as close to original as possible. I brought one of the torsion rods home and measured the spring rate. At about 110 degrees of rotation, there's about 94 lb*ft of torsion.

With a luggage scale, I figured out that at the back edge of the trunk lid, there needs to be about 13# of additional lift. I don't remember the depth of the lid to the pivot, but ballpark says that's an additional 50 lb*ft needed total, or 25 per torsion rod. It's not a 1:1 because of the ramp on the hinge, but regardless, it appears that there would need to be a lot of additional spring needed. Other cars had different torsion rods for different configurations, like a stronger one for a car with a factory spoiler. I don't see any mention of such a thing on these cars, though. Is this something odd? Or is it just not talked about? Something just seems off.
 
R/T trunk panel is very heavy.

There are 3 slots and it does make a difference where they are.

I looked at my car and one side is in center slot, other is at slot to the rear, which looks like the strongest.

The lid stay up but not by much. If you move it to close just a few inches it falls down.
 
R/T trunk panel is very heavy.

There are 3 slots and it does make a difference where they are.

I looked at my car and one side is in center slot, other is at slot to the rear, which looks like the strongest.

The lid stay up but not by much. If you move it to close just a few inches it falls down.
Is the R/T trunk lid different? Just the trim? Sounds like this might not be fixable without deviating from the factory design.
 
Same lid, heavy pot metal trim panel for 500 and R/T.

But they made ~9000 R/T's and way more 500's and they all worked fine. Mine does.
 
Thanks. That's what everybody I've talked to has said - "mine works."
 
Welcome to the site, you should introduce yourself as well as share a couple pics of your car in the Welcome Wagon.

Whats the possibility of you getting a couple pictures of the hinges and hinge mounting? Maybe one of us would see something that's not quite correct or doesn't match a working setup. Some of my cars contain non-original parts, maybe installed by me or some unknown previous owner. Replacement parts don't always function as originally designed.

I've never had to adjust the trunk springs on any of my Mopars, (sorry, they all work), so I'm uncertain if the springs are left and right side only. Is it possible to get them mixed up? I've worked on brand X trunk springs and they were left and right.

Your profile says Kansas, what's your Zip? Maybe we're close.
 
Welcome to the site, you should introduce yourself as well as share a couple pics of your car in the Welcome Wagon.

Whats the possibility of you getting a couple pictures of the hinges and hinge mounting? Maybe one of us would see something that's not quite correct or doesn't match a working setup. Some of my cars contain non-original parts, maybe installed by me or some unknown previous owner. Replacement parts don't always function as originally designed.

I've never had to adjust the trunk springs on any of my Mopars, (sorry, they all work), so I'm uncertain if the springs are left and right side only. Is it possible to get them mixed up? I've worked on brand X trunk springs and they were left and right.

Your profile says Kansas, what's your Zip? Maybe we're close.
I don't have many pics of the car. It's actually Dad's car. He and my brother restored it. I get called in to solve problems that stump them. This is just the latest.

The torsion rods can only go in one way. Technically, they can be swapped, but the end that engages the hinge points the wrong way and it's pretty obvious it's wrong. The plastic blocks are in place on the end of the rods. Somebody suggested that they weren't and that's why there isn't enough torsion available. By my measurements of the spring rates, it would take a block about an inch taller (about 3" across) to get close to the area where there is enough torsion to lift the trunk lid. I did take some pics of the spring the last time I was there. I'll see if I can find them on my phone. All of these torsion rods are OEM, no aftermarket. I'm in South Wichita, but the car is in the KC area.
 
I can't find the pic of the hinge end but here's what it looks like from the middle. There's not really much that you can screw up installing these and have them even kinda work.

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I can't find the pic of the hinge end but here's what it looks like from the middle. There's not really much that you can screw up installing these and have them even kinda work.

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If both sides are in the first notch like in your picture, it gives you the most lift. I fumbled around with the torsion bars on my 65 Plymouth Sport Fury trying to get a little more lift but both bars are in the first notch and the lid only opens to about 2/3rds on it's own. I can lift it all the way but it really likes the 2/3rds open. I figure the torsion bars have lost some of their torque abilities. Probably the same issue you have.
 
On my 67 500, both sides are in the first notch, and the trunk lid stays open.
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Dad talked to somebody at a show yesterday who has an R/T. He asked about the trunk lid and the guy said he never really paid attention to it. So they opened the trunk and it barely opened. Once fully open, though it would stay all the way open, but barely. If it was pulled down at all by hand or the wind or whatever, it would close.

Since it looks like it's going to be hard to find springs that will work, especially old ones that are already perhaps worn out, and new are hit and miss. I am going to design a a little assist assembly to attach to the hinge end of the torsion rod. We don't want the whole thing to look weird, so it'll be hidden unless you crawl into the trunk. I have been thinking it could replace the existing torsion rods, but I think it may be easier to design it to just help them out. Less additional spring needed and I can build it some adjustment. I'll have to take some measurements and more pictures next time I'm up there.
 
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