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    1970 was a whole different ballgame with engines. The 383 magnum was available in more than just the roadrunner and super bee.
     
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      Yep, as in the base engine from the 1970 Challenger R/T.


      But dose anyone know if a 383 Magnum be ordered in a 1970 Charger??
       
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      Yes. The 383 magnum was an option for the 70 charger.
       
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        You need some hood bumpers & your distributor position is out of whack. There's a few other details that need to be corrected, but overall, not bad.



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          All the pie pans have been discontinued so you might get lucky and find one. 383 four barrel in red or orange might be available. I’d call Mancini or Roseville. Start looking now and pay what you have to pay because they are no more.
           
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            Here is my '70 Charger 500 with the correct 383 Magnum pie pan.

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            • BLK 68 R/T

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              You’ll have to excuse the dirt and grime on mine. It needs a good cleaning. There are 4 rubber pieces along each side of the hood.

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              Just a fyi. See post #29 for my '70 383 Magnum, 4 speed Charger 500. Also, my engine from the factory:
              • Is orange
              • Has a windage tray
              • Has the purple shaft
               
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              As BLK 68 R/T has said, and I think we all can agree, things for 1970 cars are different then for 1968, and 1969 .
              In 1970 the 383 MAGNUM's use was expanded, and was used as the base engine for the Challenger R/T, in addition to in other car lines.

              The original post was for a 1969 383 4bbl in a Charger, that had pie tin that read 383 COMANDO.
              In 68/69 Chargers with 383 4bbl engines (H code 330HP E63 fender tags)the tin should be 383 4 BBL, to be correct.
              But MAGNUM sounds way COOLER, and my 1969 Charger 4bbl 383 has the 383 Magnum tin, on it, because I like it, but I guess in the big dollar, take no prisoners', high stakes world of 100% correct Mopar cars, it is not correct.(I do run correct hose clamps though, LOL)

              My #'s 383 4bbl was and is painted turquoise, and at first I thought it was maybe an A/C car thing, but upon further digging, I have been educated that in 1968, and 1969, the 383 "Magnum" engine (335HP) was a Super Bee only engine, just as a "383 Roadrunner engine" was unique to just Roadrunners.
              The reason being was for MARKETING! It made the 383 MAGNUM/ROADRUNNER(335HP) engines found in those cars "hotter" then the regular old 383 4bbl (330HP) in your dads car.

              So the 4bbl "H" code E63 383 used in the Dodge Charger (in 68, and 69) was the 330HP version.
              It has the same 4bbl intake manifold, same 4bbl exhaust manifolds, but has different camshaft and no windage tray.(vs the 335HP version)

              I think it would be cool to find out if in the few 68/69 Chargers with 4 speeds that had the 383's painted orange if, internally, they were 330HP or 335HP versions?

              And if they did leave the factory, in 1968/69, with orange 335 HP engines, is it correct to call them MAGNUMS?
               
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              I do not claim to know it all, I was born in 1980, so I was not in the factory building these.
              I started my love for Mopar around age 14, and at 17 got my first B-body, a 1968 Coronet auto with a 318 2bbl.
              I have tried to learn as much as I can about them, as I enjoy almost every aspect of this hobby.(I even like the 1980's hatchback Chargers and would like to own a Rampage, I know I have a problem!!!)
              I also know as soon as you say Mopar NEVER did something, BAM 3 guys pop up with 1970 model year Charger Daytona's, and say your a liar LOL!!!
               
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              Not in 68. All turquoise in 68.
               
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              So only model year 69 383 4 speed cars COULD have had the orange (330HP)engine?
              I have never set eyes on one in real life, but have been told by at least a hand full of guys that some 68/69 Charger 4 speed 383's were painted orange.

              These cars are 50+ years old so even if a previous owner pulled the engine 30 years ago to toss in a set of rings and bearings, and decided to paint it orange, by now it would look similar to factory vintage, and may be hard to tell who painted the engine.

              I am not saying this is the case, but it can be hard to tell at what pointsome changes have been made to our cars.
               
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              In 68, all the 383 hp and 440 hp engines were turquoise.
               
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              My 69 Charger I currently own, has 7,500 original miles on it.
              and came to me with a good 90% of the date code correct parts.
              #'s matching drivetrain, carb, alternator, starter, A/C compressor, and so on.
              But the radio sayes PLYMOUTH across it.
              It is the correct thumb wheel type AM radio, the fender tag, and build sheet call for, but instead of reading Dodge divison, it reads Plymouth.

              I figured MAYBE someone just grabbed the radio from the wrong bin, at the plant, and it could have been a factory error, as the car has been parked for 40+ years, and I would think that having been parked at only 8 years old the original radio would still work.

              I have had guys tell me NO WAY, NO HOW was a Plymouth radio, installed in my Dodge, from the factory!!
              I dont know enough to argue with the experts, but because if it was changed, it was done so before the car got parked in 1976-78 range, it looks the same age as everthing else inside the car.
              So as the years pass I am sure, with out written proof, it may get harder to tell at what point, what changes were made to our cars.
               
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              Dont think it mattered if it had A/C as to colour on the HP motors,my 69 R/TSE has A/C n motor is orange
               
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              yep, I meant to separate out the 440hp for 69 with a/c would be orange, but all 383 with a/c would be turquoise in 69.
               
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              This is info I got from the 1994 MBI published Charger, Road Runner, Super Bee restoration guide by Paul Heard.
              I am just typing what is found in this book:

              In chapter 3, Power plants, it is broken down year by year from 1968-1971.
              It reads basically what BLK 68 R/T has said,
              all big blocks installed in Chargers in 1968 were painted turquoise, except the 426 Hemi.
              It goes on to list the short blocks for the Charger 383 engines, 2bbl and 4bbl, and stated NO 383 MAGNUMS were installed in the Charger cars.
              It reads: unique identification plate, sometimes called pie tins, used on Charger for 1968, were: 383 4BBl, and 440 Magnum, both in red.



              1969:
              It says all 383's the pan, dipstick handle and block, should wear the same finish as in 1968 EXCEPT the 383/335HP version.
              The 335HP engine and the HP 440 should be painted Hemi orange, Ditzler EQE-60626 with 25% Ditzler DX-265 flattening agent, to correctly darken it.
              It goes on to claim SOME 383/335HP V8 were painted turquoise when equipped with air conditioning.
              But ALL 440/375HP V8 engines, even those equipped with air conditioning were painted Hemi orange, using same formula as the 383/335HP Magnum/Road Runner engine.
              And once again states the 383 Magnum was not available in the Charger, and the Charger' special identification plates(pie tins) remained unchanged from 1968

              1970:
              The 383 V8 engine 2BBL and 4BBl both had drop in compression ration, but no change in HP rating.
              The 383 Magnum was still not available in the Dodge Charger.
              All 383's in the Dodge Charger should be painted Chrysler Blue, and all 383's in Super Bee and Road Runners should be painted Hemi Orange, again except for a FEW with air conditioning.
              All early 383 V8's had forged steel crankshaft, but later 383 2bbls with automatic trans had cast crankshafts installed.
              1970 engine ID plates were done in orange, not red.

              1971
              383 2bbl remained an option on base Charger, and should be painted Chrysler Blue, and all 383 4bbls should be painted Hemi Orange, using same shade as previous years.
              It is very unlikely any 383 4bbls were painted blue, even with air conditioning, because there was no other 383 4bbl as in previous years.
              In the past workers might mistake a high performance power plant with air conditioning as one of the low powered engines and painted it turquoise
              383 4bbl V8 was still the standard engine for Super Bee and Road Runner, but this engine was now optional on all Charger models, except the Charger R/T.
              The special engine ID plates(pie tins) were shifted in 1971, 383 4bbl was deleted, and replaced with 383 Magnum. The P/N for the tins were same as in 1970 and the 340 4bbl tin was introduced. 1971 engine ID plates were done in orange, not red.
               
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              I can tell you the info for 70 is wrong. The 383 magnum was available in the 70 charger and was most definitely orange.
               
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