School me on NSS racing

[Longroof]

Just saw that there will be some NMCA races at my local track next year. Looking at running NSS. First question is can you run an adjustable mechanical stop on the carburetor linkage (adjustable bolt stop) to run the index? I did not see anything in the rules about it. I am guessing that most are running some type of stop and adding and taking out weight to run their index.

 

[SUPERSTOCKRACER]

Just saw that there will be some NMCA races at my local track next year. Looking at running NSS. First question is can you run an adjustable mechanical stop on the carburetor linkage (adjustable bolt stop) to run the index? I did not see anything in the rules about it. I am guessing that most are running some type of stop and adding and taking out weight to run their index.

No stops allowed but I knew a few guys who cheated and did.

 

[Longroof]

So tune to get close, change shift point, add or subtract weight and repeat?

 

[SUPERSTOCKRACER]

So tune to get close, change shift point, add or subtract weight and repeat?

Yes and I sometimes use timing to slow up if I have too.

 

[Longroof]

Thanks for the info.

As far as eliminations go how does it run? Are all NSS cars laddered based on qualifying, paired up and handicapped off of their respective indexes?

 

[moparsteve636]

Laddered, paired and handicapped! Fastest and the slowest qualified pairing and so on. If an odd number of cars, the closest qualifier to his index gets a bye!

 

[Longroof]

So all NSS/A cars run each other, in other words they don't mix the classes for the eliminator?

 

[dvw]

No stops allowed but I knew a few guys who cheated and did.

Not true, mechanical stops are legal. I've run one since 1990. Plenty of ways to do it. Weight, throttle, restricted air filters, mufflers, timing, shift RPM, lift at a given point on the track. With my last car the mechanical stop was deadly, could move the car .01 at will. It doesn't work near as well with the new car. Most people use weight, I don't like it. It's a learning curve either way. Qualifying is down closest to index and is laddered on a sportsman ladder (1-8, 2-9, 3-10 etc). Under index puts you at the bottom of the ladder, the further under the lower you go. All classes run each other handicapped by index during eliminations. Most good cars can run within .02 of the index. No trans-brakes. You need the ability to change the car during the day/days to stay on the same index. Learning to read the weather and track conditions is a biggie. Learn to drive the stripe, finish line can be fun with 8.75 cars running 13.0 cars. Slow cars have the advantage of no tire spin. Fast cars have the advantage to leave last and chase. Pick your poison. It's a lot of fun. Good luck.
Doug

 

[SUPERSTOCKRACER]

Not true, mechanical stops are legal. I've run one since 1990. Plenty of ways to do it. Weight, throttle, restricted air filters, mufflers, timing, shift RPM, lift at a given point on the track. With my last car the mechanical stop was deadly, could move the car .01 at will. It doesn't work near as well with the new car. Most people use weight, I don't like it. It's a learning curve either way. Qualifying is down closest to index and is laddered on a sportsman ladder (1-8, 2-9, 3-10 etc). Under index puts you at the bottom of the ladder, the further under the lower you go. All classes run each other handicapped by index during eliminations. Most good cars can run within .02 of the index. No trans-brakes. You need the ability to change the car during the day or days to stay on the same number. The finish line can be fun with 8.75 cars running 13.0 cars.Slow cars have the advantage of no tire spin. fast cars have the advantage to leave last and chase. pick your poison. It's a lot of fun. Good luck.
Doug

I keep forgetting I don't live in your neck of the woods. They are not allowed over here in the East Coast.
The mechanical stops i'm referring to are the ones attached to your carbs.

 

[dvw]

I keep forgetting I don't live in your neck of the woods. They are not allowed over here in the East Coast.

Whats the difference between a mechanical stop and loosening the throttle cable? Who doesn't allow them?
Doug

 

[Longroof]

I'm on the West coast so not sure what NMCA west does. Sounds like different rules for different regions, I will have to call them and inquire. I will likely be running 12.0 or 12.5 class. Big wagon with a 440 basically a street strip car. I'm used to being chased by fast cars... my last race car was running brackets alot of Super pro electronics stuff... being chased down by 6.90 dragsters and 7.0 door cars in a 10.30 car and turning on win lights is just a rush!! It is all a game of putting together a tight package when you have the big speed differentials at the stripe... gets difficult to just put a wheel on the other car at the stripe when there is a 40+ mph difference.

I am gonna have to look at this a bit more sounds like more fun than just a bracket race.

 

[SUPERSTOCKRACER]

Whats the difference between a mechanical stop and loosening the throttle cable? Who doesn't allow them?
Doug

When I raced with ECNSSA it was a rule. Enforcing it was a different story. A few guys were using it to run 11.0

You keep forgetting I don't race at any of your events.

 

[dvw]

I'm on the West coast so not sure what NMCA west does. Sounds like different rules for different regions, I will have to call them and inquire. I will likely be running 12.0 or 12.5 class. Big wagon with a 440 basically a street strip car. I'm used to being chased by fast cars... my last race car was running brackets alot of Super pro electronics stuff... being chased down by 6.90 dragsters and 7.0 door cars in a 10.30 car and turning on win lights is just a rush!! It is all a game of putting together a tight package when you have the big speed differentials at the stripe... gets difficult to just put a wheel on the other car at the stripe when there is a 40+ mph difference.

I am gonna have to look at this a bit more sounds like more fun than just a bracket race.

For sure it's about the package. A lot of N/SS racers worry about running dead on the index or over. If they're late, they're toast.
Doug

 

[Budnicks]

there's allot of different rules in allot of different org.'s
most are still just bracket racing, dial in a #, no break out etc.
some are no electronics or drivers aids, trans brakes, air/electric shift or throttle stops etc.


here are a couple of Nostalgia Racing org.'s out west, not sure if they are still running even,
but it possibly will give you an idea of rules, car classifications, your wagon may actually fit in etc.

http://www.americannostalgiawest.com/rules.html

http://www.wchra.net/classes.html

http://www.nhrahotrodheritage.com/rules.html

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there use to be SCTA SoCal Timing Assoc. & NDRA Nostalgia Drag Racing Assoc. also,
some at Goodguys & Gary Meterz type events

I haven't raced in any since 2007 & there was a ton of classes, depends on who's event it was,
allot of different specific rules & year cut off, in some too
I was in heads up match or/no bracket racing,
run what you brung, pro-tree, the fastest car to the finish line wins

good luck

 

[coloradodave]

Budnicks: Had to look twice at your third picture down. I believe it was in 1979. Only time I went to Sacramento Raceway.

 

[383man]

I know it depends on what NSS club you run with. The one I have run in the last 2 years are simple basic rules. Have to be faster then 12.50 and 1972 or older. You can dail any number in this class so its just basic bracket racing and why would you even want a throttle stop in that kind of any dail faster then 12.50 is legal. Now the 422 club is a little different as they used to be you had to dail on a 0 meaning that for a car like mine or anyone you had to dail on the tenth like 10.80 or 10.70. They changed that a year or 2 ago to include a 5 so you can dail by the half tenth such as for me 10.80 or 10.85 and so forth. Many are pretty basic on the engine as they used to say if the car ran 2 or 3 carbs you had to as that meant I had to run two fours. But they changed that also where I can now run with them and one carb. But you should be able to go to the website of the club in the area you plan to run with and get their rules. And most of course want the right period look. So my original size and type of Max Wedge scoop is legal. I cant run an areo scoop or a snorkel scoop or a cowl and of course I dont want to anyway. Most are usually around 1972 and older and some only go to about 1970 and older. But look up the clubs rules you want to race with. Ron

 

[SUPERSTOCKRACER]

I know it depends on what NSS club you run with. The one I have run in the last 2 years are simple basic rules. Have to be faster then 12.50 and 1972 or older. You can dail any number in this class so its just basic bracket racing and why would you even want a throttle stop in that kind of any dail faster then 12.50 is legal. Now the 422 club is a little different as they used to be you had to dail on a 0 meaning that for a car like mine or anyone you had to dail on the tenth like 10.80 or 10.70. They changed that a year or 2 ago to include a 5 so you can dail by the half tenth such as for me 10.80 or 10.85 and so forth. Many are pretty basic on the engine as they used to say if the car ran 2 or 3 carbs you had to as that meant I had to run two fours. But they changed that also where I can now run with them and one carb. But you should be able to go to the website of the club in the area you plan to run with and get their rules. And most of course want the right period look. So my original size and type of Max Wedge scoop is legal. I cant run an areo scoop or a snorkel scoop or a cowl and of course I dont want to anyway. Most are usually around 1972 and older and some only go to about 1970 and older. But look up the clubs rules you want to race with. Ron

Who or What is dail? As I don't know what that is. Chris

 

[383man]

Who or What is dail? As I don't know what that is. Chris

You know what I mean Chris. Your dail number on your window. So what do you call it or spell it if I spelled it wrong ? Ron

 

[bobtile]

I think

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You know what 383 man is talking about stupid stock racer as you dail a much slower number than you run and step on your brake at the end of the track as you are a sandbagger as I saw you do this to me bob

 

[SUPERSTOCKRACER]

You know what I mean Chris. Your dail number on your window. So what do you call it or spell it if I spelled it wrong ? Ron

Ron, I'm sorry As I didn't know what you meant As I was drinking heavily today at a Christmas party trying to keep up with Bobtile As you can see he is drunk now. My apology's to you .
But I think you meant to spell it DIAL. Chris

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You know what 383 man is talking about stupid stock racer as you dail a much slower number than you run and step on your brake at the end of the track as you are a sandbagger as I saw you do this to me bob

You stay out of this StupidTileman As you're a troublemaker and there will be no more spicy scallop rolls for you ever again. Chris