Trick Flows on the 440.....

[Wookie316]

What cam and CR ratio was this?

 

[Gpuller]

Oh boy that's gonna be fun!
69 GTX could you please fill us in on the engine details again please?

 

[Derwud]

Go to his car build thread, all explained there..

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http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/showthread.php?51515-69-gtx/page29

 

[69 GTX]

So if it doesn't get any better than this I'm over joyed!! Looks like Trick flows claim to 600 HP is correct as my cam has less duration but more lift than their engine build. Looks like you can get good HP with out a lumpy cam or a stroker.
Jim's the Man!!

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For everyone I'll post a parts list at the end of the last dyno session with numbers.

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9.9:1 236/242 @ .050 & .640 net lift with 1.6 rockers 440 + .030

 

[IQ52]

Haven't done anything but fiddle with the fuel mixture and a little bit of timing. This engine is going to run with a 6-bbl so we aren't wasting a bunch of time on these other combinations.

RPM..................Victor TQ/HP..................RPM TQ/HP

3000...................472/269.......................495/283.....+23/+14
3100...................468/276.......................500/295.....+32/+19
3200...................483/294.......................515/314.....+32/+20
3300...................500/314.......................541/340.....+41/+36
3400...................513/332.......................546/354.....+33/+22
3500...................514/342.......................547/364.....+33/+22
3600...................516/354.......................550/377.....+34/+23
3700...................510/359.......................552/389.....+42/+30
3800...................516/373.......................555/401.....+39/+28
3900...................520/386.......................555/412.....+35/+26
4000...................528/402.......................558/425.....+30/+23
4100...................529/413.......................553/431.....+24/+18
4200...................532/425.......................553/442.....+21/+17
4300...................539/441.......................548/449.......+9/+8
4400...................545/456.......................552/462.......+7/+6
4500...................550/471.......................554/475.......+4/+4
4600...................554/485.......................553/484........-1/-1
4700...................552/494.......................550/492........-2/-2
4800...................562/513.......................558/510........-4/-3
4900...................560/522.......................556/518........-4/-4
5000...................562/535.......................552/526.......-10/-9
5100...................561/545.......................558/542........-3/-3
5200...................551/546.......................556/550........-5/-4
5300...................554/559.......................548/553........-6/-6
5400...................546/561.......................546/561.........0/0
5500...................549/575.......................544/570........-5/-5
5600...................541/576.......................532/568........-9/-8
5700...................539/585.......................530/575........-9/-10
5800...................534/590.......................517/571......-17/-19
5900...................526/591.......................508/570......-18/-21
6000...................512/584.......................497/568......-15/-16
6100...................503/585.......................480/558......-23/-27

Me, I think I'll run the dual plane.................

So, next up is the 6-bbl. Unfortunately the 6-bbl fuel lines are a sprinkler system right now.............ooh, ooh, pick me, I'll fix it.

 

[69 GTX]

Great info Jim, thanks for sharing.

 

[69 GTX]

Looks like the power band is about perfect for me. I'm running a column shift so it will be left in drive. With the max wedge governor installed in the tranny it should shift around 58-5900 rpm. This thing will be a fun one to drive!

 

[Gpuller]

That is a hyd roller cam correct? How would a solid flat tappet cam compare power wise?

 

[Derwud]

Custom Comp Cams solid roller, 230s duration and 640ish net lift with 1.6 rockers Tried to get as much lift as possible with a smooth idling cam.

 

[IQ52]

Nope its a solid roller. It would be like running a 232/236 @ .050 hydraulic roller.

Here are the results of a solid flat tappet cam 255/259 @ .050, .606/618 net lift. This is a 10.6:1 440, an Edelbrock RPM intake with Victor heads that flow a bit more than the 240 TrickFlow heads.

RPM...............TQ/HP

3000...........492/281
3100...........487/288
3200...........507/309
3300...........557/350
3400...........560/363
3500...........564/376
3600...........569/390
3700...........569/401
3800...........572/413
3900...........571/424
4000...........560/426
4100...........552/431
4200...........544/435
4300...........530/434
4400...........532/446
4500...........528/453
4600...........524/459
4700...........523/468
4800...........531/485
4900...........536/500
5000...........551/525
5100...........550/534
5200...........540/535
5300...........531/536
5400...........535/550
5500...........537/562
5600...........535/571
5700...........532/577
5800...........535/591
5900...........528/593
6000...........513/586
6100...........496/576

I'm liking the little solid roller better. I had a budget for this engine that didn't include a solid roller.

 

[69 GTX]

Stay tuned guys the 6 bbl is going on! Jim is optimistic it might be better than both combos, maybe evn 600 hp....
That would be freaking terriffic.

 

[440beep]

Oh please tell how the Six Pack is set up!!

Stay tuned guys the 6 bbl is going on! Jim is optimistic it might be better than both combos, maybe evn 600 hp....
That would be freaking terriffic.

 

[68 HEMI GTS]

590 hp out of a pump gas 440 says a lot about the potential of the trick flow heads. that's damn good power in any street car.

 

[pwtjr]

So how did that 6 pack do? The suspense is killing me. I am going to take a guess and say 611 horsepower.

 

[IQ52]

The 6bbl isn't ready to fire, I've got gasoline leaking everywhere. Got some parts on order to stop the leaks and make things easier to disassemble and tune.

 

[69 GTX]

Sorry Jim! I should of bought the Pro Maxx fuel line set up, I went back and forth on which one to get. I picked the wrong one I guess.

440Beep It's the 71 440+6 carbs I bought new from Jegs along with the intake ect. I had Jim port the intake because I had heard they could benefit from some port work. I added the Pro Maxx rear throttle plate with angled idle mixture screw. Also Quick Fuel metering plate with some extra emulsion circuits for more tuning. And lastly I add phenolic spacers to help with heat sink & vapor lock. Jim will have to share the mods after that. I'm guessing it'll be later in the week before Jim gets back to it. So be patient Jim will let us know the progress. Good things come to those that can wait.

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68 Hemi GTS I hope it will run as good as your 69 RR.

 

[IQ52]

My son Cody is 42 yrs old and can't tighten the inverted flare fittings on the fuel line enough to keep them from leaking. He has run from his house in Challis to the top of Hwy 93's Willow Creek Summit (25 miles). He won his age group in a 50km run through mountains. He will hike 7 miles into the mountains with a 60lb pack, load on 35lbs of elk antlers and hike back out the same day. He'll shuffle engine blocks around in the shop by himself.

I...ain't...messing...with...those...fuel...lines.

 

[bm02tj]

Check the flare for a crack or if it was not centred when rolled over
Is this a factory flare or one you guys did

 

[IQ52]

Thank you for the suggestion, these things I already understand. One leak....then I'm lookin' hard for the problem. Seven leaks.....I'm goin' with sumpthin' else. Factory flares, my flares don't leak.

 

[IQ52]

New flared lines from the rear and center carburetors, -6 AN the rest of the way. First hit on the fuel pump and no leaks.