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Rear sway bar 3/4 vs 7/8

greenmachine

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Hi guys
Just put a addco 1” 1/8 front sway bar in my 69 net 2dr. 440 and want to do a rear sway bar. Should I go 3/4 or 7/8? I’m thinking 7/8
Thanks. Erik.
 
I couldn't stand the Addco bars, hated the way they mounted - they kept moving around on me. I pulled the front bar off and did a Hellwig bar front and rear, and the car handled like a sports car out on the track. The Hellwig has a much better mounting point on the K-Member.

I wouldn't put a thick bar on the back unless you go with a better bar up front. Not sure you need one on the back, anyway, unless you're doing a bit of road racing/autocross/spirited driving on mountain roads.
 
I couldn't stand the Addco bars, hated the way they mounted - they kept moving around on me. I pulled the front bar off and did a Hellwig bar front and rear, and the car handled like a sports car out on the track. The Hellwig has a much better mounting point on the K-Member.

I wouldn't put a thick bar on the back unless you go with a better bar up front. Not sure you need one on the back, anyway, unless you're doing a bit of road racing/autocross/spirited driving on mountain roads.
Not super impressed with the brackets but I did swap everything for grade 8 hardware. If I have to I will tack the brackets to the k frame. Is 7/8 going to be sig. stiffer ride over A 3/4?
 
Not super impressed with the brackets but I did swap everything for grade 8 hardware. If I have to I will tack the brackets to the k frame. Is 7/8 going to be sig. stiffer ride over A 3/4?
If you can tack them, that would be best, as I mentioned... mine moved around a bit. I don't think your ride will be that much stiffer, but cornering will be 'flatter'. The other thing about having a thick bar is the torsional rigidity of it, or with the front bar the thickness of the bar matters for stiffness, too. I love the Hellwig bars, and never even installed the rear Addco bar.
 
Contact Dick at Firm Feel. I am running their above axle frame hung 3/4” rear bar and love it. The rear bar should be smaller than the front. With 1-1/8” front bar a 3-4” rear bar should be perfect.
 
Contact Dick at Firm Feel. I am running their above axle frame hung 3/4” rear bar and love it. The rear bar should be smaller than the front. With 1-1/8” front bar a 3-4” rear bar should be perfect.
That is good advice.
I had a set of the Addco bars on my '70 Charger. 1 1/8" solid front, 7/8" solid rear, As stated, their hardware and mounts are CHEEZY.
What I guess you are looking to achieve is less body roll/lean and a neutral cornering condition. The size of the bars is totally dependent on the weight of the car, torsion bar size, leaf spring rate and don't forget...An aluminum headed LA series engine weighs about 200 lbs less than an all iron 440. The battery up front or in the trunk matters as well.
My current setup is 1.15 torsion bars, 1 1/4" solid front bar. MP XHD leaf springs, 3/4" rear bar, Bilstein shocks, frame connectors, torque boxes.
You may be looking for a simple answer but to get this right, you need to consider the overall package.
When I had the Addco bars, I had 1" torsion bars and the 1 1/8" sway bar up front and the 7/8" bar out back. The car was twitchy and wanted to oversteer (Spin) when I tried to corner hard. That is a decent setup for an autocross car but dangerous for the street or road course. A car that oversteers only gets worse the faster that you go. Imagine a fast maneuver on the freeway !
My original combination was not fun or safe. When a car oversteers, the fix is to either add more spring rate to the front or reduce the spring rate to the rear. You can alter spring rate with sway bar size or torsion bar/leaf springs.
I first tried removing the rear bar. The car had more body roll but wasn't oversteering anymore. I tried adding a 3/4" bar I pulled from an '83 Imperial. The oversteer returned. This told me that to maintain an acceptable amount of body roll/lean, I would have to really step up the front spring rate. I went from 1" Torsion bars to 1.15" and went to an 1 1/4" front sway bar. Now the car lays flat and has slight understeer condition.
Finally, pay close attention to wheel offsets and widths and tire selection. I run an 18x9 front wheel, 4 3/4" BS and a 275-40-18 Nitto NT 01. The rear is an 18x10 with 4 3/4" BS and a 295-45-18 Nitto. A wider rear tire will reduce oversteer a slight amount.

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This was the Addco rear bar setup:
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The rear bar always wanted to shift around too. The brackets on the axle housing are a poor quality.
 
The Imperial bar was the right width and mounted to the body. (Frame hung, less UNsprung weight)

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Now these pictures were taken after a mock up and drive. I was testing the feel with rubber bushings. I modified a strut and welded it to the housing.
Please forgive the crappy looking end link washers!

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Hellwig 1.375" front sway bar with an Addco .875" rear sway bar.
Works well for me right now with no issues, but I also have a lot of other suspension upgrades.
 
The Imperial bar was the right width and mounted to the body. (Frame hung, less UNsprung weight)

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Now these pictures were taken after a mock up and drive. I was testing the feel with rubber bushings. I modified a strut and welded it to the housing.
Please forgive the crappy looking end link washers!

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Thanks. Here’s my list.
PST poly front end kit
1.03 bars
LCA plates
11/8” addco front with upgraded grade 8 hardware
Firm feel stage 2 box
Firm feel k member reinforcement plates
Hotchkiss frame connectors
Hotchkiss 1” lowering springs
17” wheels all around with 4.5 bs in rear and 4” bs in front.
285/40/17 rear, 235/35/17 front.
I think I will give the 7/8 bar a run and see how she does.
If you see any issues please speak up.
Oh, iron headed 440, battery up front.
Thanks. Erik.
 
Your combined spring rate is really close to what mine was when the car was twitchy and hard to control. If you drive easy, you may be fine. If you push the car, it will oversteer. The 7/8" bar is too much for the rear the way that you are currently set up.
The rule is : The end of the car with the MOST combined spring rate will be the end that loses traction first.
Combined spring rate is spring and sway bar stiffness combined.
Your torsion bars are too small for a car with an iron 440 with a battery up front. I have aluminum heads with the battery in the trunk and mine was tail happy with the setup I described. Yours will be worse.
You need either MORE spring rate up front in the form of thicker torsion bars or sway bar (Or both) or a small rear bar.
 
Your combined spring rate is really close to what mine was when the car was twitchy and hard to control. If you drive easy, you may be fine. If you push the car, it will oversteer. The 7/8" bar is too much for the rear the way that you are currently set up.
The rule is : The end of the car with the MOST combined spring rate will be the end that loses traction first.
Combined spring rate is spring and sway bar stiffness combined.
Your torsion bars are too small for a car with an iron 440 with a battery up front. I have aluminum heads with the battery in the trunk and mine was tail happy with the setup I described. Yours will be worse.
You need either MORE spring rate up front in the form of thicker torsion bars or sway bar (Or both) or a small rear bar.
I called summit and stopped the 7/8 order and got a 3/4 bar. Thanks.
 
Unless you like oversteer, don't go too big on the rear. I'm one that likes it but not overly much.....but it also depends on your driving style but when it's said and done, rather have OS than US.
 
I think that ideally, a neutral handling car is best, one with enough power to induce a rear wheel slide/drift only when you want it.
 
3/4 addco rear sway installed! Car handles amazing. No body roll. I think the 7/8 would have been too much. Thanks for the help. I put the car on the road next week!!!

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Your combined spring rate is really close to what mine was when the car was twitchy and hard to control. If you drive easy, you may be fine. If you push the car, it will oversteer. The 7/8" bar is too much for the rear the way that you are currently set up.
The rule is : The end of the car with the MOST combined spring rate will be the end that loses traction first.
Combined spring rate is spring and sway bar stiffness combined.
Your torsion bars are too small for a car with an iron 440 with a battery up front. I have aluminum heads with the battery in the trunk and mine was tail happy with the setup I described. Yours will be worse.
You need either MORE spring rate up front in the form of thicker torsion bars or sway bar (Or both) or a small rear bar.
I will start thinking about relocating the battery to the trunk. Get some weight moved off those 1.03 bars.
 
Okay...GOOD luck!
 
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