Took the Plunge EV

[Photon440]

I’m sure in 50 years there will be EV‘s in car collections.

Why not, even now there are antique EV's in car collections.

 

[Detective D]

A base Tesla Model 3 is around 3,600 pounds, is a Durango really a lot lighter than that? The original Tesla Roadster was 2,723 pounds. 4150 pounds for the Model Y, their best seller.

I have you on ignore because of you uncontrollable need to try to "correct" everyone and everything on these boards, but I could not resist seeing what you tried to cherry pick out of my post.
Really? A roadster? Well a Neon was under 2600lbs. Maybe we should stick to comparable vehicles? A Dodge Rampage was 2400lbs, and that is sort of a truck. A Durango is a body on frame truck configured as an SUV, even the fully loaded R/T models in 2003 were around 4400lbs with full time AWD. Lots of cargo room, and ability to tow, 4wd, high ground clearance, truck type seating.
The Cybertruck is more than 1000lbs heavier, if we want to try to compare something at least resembling a Durango.If we want to go to the decked out awd cybertruck it is something like 6500lbs. And it gets stuck on a ten degree slope in 3" of snow. No, I don;t care if it can tow more, I have an 8.1/Allison crew cab for that with comparitively unlimited range.
A Tesla Model X, which might be something sort of in the SUV range, is over 5000lbs.

And I am not looking for a decked out 2003 with full time AWD, my ideal choice would be one from the late 90's that can run in rwd, or possibly even a 2wd model. By the time I am done removing the running boards I don't like, the rear seat I don't need or want, redoing the sound deadening with modern materials, ditching the multi-amp'd factory radio for something simple, ditching the bulky factory exhaust, maybe even the AC, I wil not be even close to factory weight. But even if I was, it would be 300lbs lighter than the model Y, and have substantially more capability in winter.

This is why you are on ignore. You can't help but try to "correct" everyone, and you will compare apples and oranges to do it and ignore context, like end use, cost of repairs, entry level pricing, etc. You pick one arbitrary item and fabricate some type of argument around it. It's tiresome. Have a nice day.

I’m sure in 50 years there will be EV‘s in car collections. It probably won’t be many but there will be a few examples to see the past. I don’t think the desire of collecting cars 50 years from now will be the same as it is now or was 20 years ago. People‘s love affair with the car is dwindling down. 50 to 75 years ago cars and the freedom they brought were a big deal. Nowadays, a lot of people just see him as transportation. They want the car to drive for them. As far as the batteries not lasting 50years how many 1970s four-door cop cars still have their original battery

LOL at finding a current model year EV Charger battery module in 50 years. I dropped the Optima blue top out of my dump trailer into the Monaco last week to move it out of the shop for the afternoon. Then I put it back. You are joking about comparing them right?


But it's fine, to each their own. I think personally the only current EV's we will see in 50 years will be battery-absent sitting in a museum. maybe someone with endless money will want one for their complete collection. But it will not resemble the current collector market where every single auction at least one Charger rolls across. As for car culture going away, tomorrow I am going to the largest hot rod show in the state and it will be mostly populated by people under the age of 40. In WI, the millenials and gen Z are building rat rods out of whatever they can find that has not returned to the earth, and they drive them to work in the summer. Giant cities have maybe forgotten their soul but in the rural areas the highways still equate freedom.

 

[OneWheelPeel]

I think years from now the electric cars will be in some collections, but probably retrofitted with whatever battery is contemporary at that point, or the original packs will be on one of many rebuilds which some people already do for the older EVs they want to drive.
I'm pretty sure, but not 100% that Jay Leno was putting a lithium cell into a turn of the last century's EV. But he is a corner case.

 

[Photon440]

I have you on ignore because of you uncontrollable need to try to "correct" everyone and everything on these boards, but I could not resist seeing what you tried to cherry pick out of my post.
Really? A roadster? Well a Neon was under 2600lbs. Maybe we should stick to comparable vehicles? A Dodge Rampage was 2400lbs, and that is sort of a truck. A Durango is a body on frame truck configured as an SUV, even the fully loaded R/T models in 2003 were around 4400lbs with full time AWD. Lots of cargo room, and ability to tow, 4wd, high ground clearance, truck type seating.
The Cybertruck is more than 1000lbs heavier, if we want to try to compare something at least resembling a Durango.If we want to go to the decked out awd cybertruck it is something like 6500lbs. And it gets stuck on a ten degree slope in 3" of snow. No, I don;t care if it can tow more, I have an 8.1/Allison crew cab for that with comparitively unlimited range.
A Tesla Model X, which might be something sort of in the SUV range, is over 5000lbs.

And I am not looking for a decked out 2003 with full time AWD, my ideal choice would be one from the late 90's that can run in rwd, or possibly even a 2wd model. By the time I am done removing the running boards I don't like, the rear seat I don't need or want, redoing the sound deadening with modern materials, ditching the multi-amp'd factory radio for something simple, ditching the bulky factory exhaust, maybe even the AC, I wil not be even close to factory weight. But even if I was, it would be 300lbs lighter than the model Y, and have substantially more capability in winter.

This is why you are on ignore. You can't help but try to "correct" everyone, and you will compare apples and oranges to do it and ignore context, like end use, cost of repairs, entry level pricing, etc. You pick one arbitrary item and fabricate some type of argument around it. It's tiresome. Have a nice day.

LOL at finding a current model year EV Charger battery module in 50 years. I dropped the Optima blue top out of my dump trailer into the Monaco last week to move it out of the shop for the afternoon. Then I put it back. You are joking about comparing them right?


But it's fine, to each their own. I think personally the only current EV's we will see in 50 years will be battery-absent sitting in a museum. maybe someone with endless money will want one for their complete collection. But it will not resemble the current collector market where every single auction at least one Charger rolls across. As for car culture going away, tomorrow I am going to the largest hot rod show in the state and it will be mostly populated by people under the age of 40. In WI, the millenials and gen Z are building rat rods out of whatever they can find that has not returned to the earth, and they drive them to work in the summer. Giant cities have maybe forgotten their soul but in the rural areas the highways still equate freedom.

Calm down, Detective. You said a Durango was 1,000 pounds lighter than a Tesla, but failed to mention which model. I merely pointed out not all are that heavy. If you feel that means that you're being 'corrected', take it however you like. Of course if you want to pull lots of weight out of your Durango, that's fine. But it isn't what you first stated.

 

[furious70]

My Durango is 5500lbs I think. Hellcat drivetrain adds a few pounds but competes with all but the tri motor setups.
And I still want the Banshee model for under $70k based on the pricing they announced today.
Or a redeye powered one.... I'm easy to please

 

[Pecos Bill]

Dodge just released the 6 pack, 6 cyl Chargers.

 

[chargervert]

Dodge just released the 6 pack, 6 cyl Chargers.

That is painful to hear!

 

[Photon440]

Dodge just released the 6 pack, 6 cyl Chargers.

At least we know now that they're 1,000 pounds lighter than the EV versions, which should improve handling. But even though it burns gas and can do a 12.2 quarter mile, I can't afford a new car these days.

 

[64plymouth]

I have you on ignore because of you uncontrollable need to try to "correct" everyone and everything on these boards, but I could not resist seeing what you tried to cherry pick out of my post.
Really? A roadster? Well a Neon was under 2600lbs. Maybe we should stick to comparable vehicles? A Dodge Rampage was 2400lbs, and that is sort of a truck. A Durango is a body on frame truck configured as an SUV, even the fully loaded R/T models in 2003 were around 4400lbs with full time AWD. Lots of cargo room, and ability to tow, 4wd, high ground clearance, truck type seating.
The Cybertruck is more than 1000lbs heavier, if we want to try to compare something at least resembling a Durango.If we want to go to the decked out awd cybertruck it is something like 6500lbs. And it gets stuck on a ten degree slope in 3" of snow. No, I don;t care if it can tow more, I have an 8.1/Allison crew cab for that with comparitively unlimited range.
A Tesla Model X, which might be something sort of in the SUV range, is over 5000lbs.

And I am not looking for a decked out 2003 with full time AWD, my ideal choice would be one from the late 90's that can run in rwd, or possibly even a 2wd model. By the time I am done removing the running boards I don't like, the rear seat I don't need or want, redoing the sound deadening with modern materials, ditching the multi-amp'd factory radio for something simple, ditching the bulky factory exhaust, maybe even the AC, I wil not be even close to factory weight. But even if I was, it would be 300lbs lighter than the model Y, and have substantially more capability in winter.

This is why you are on ignore. You can't help but try to "correct" everyone, and you will compare apples and oranges to do it and ignore context, like end use, cost of repairs, entry level pricing, etc. You pick one arbitrary item and fabricate some type of argument around it. It's tiresome. Have a nice day.

LOL at finding a current model year EV Charger battery module in 50 years. I dropped the Optima blue top out of my dump trailer into the Monaco last week to move it out of the shop for the afternoon. Then I put it back. You are joking about comparing them right?


But it's fine, to each their own. I think personally the only current EV's we will see in 50 years will be battery-absent sitting in a museum. maybe someone with endless money will want one for their complete collection. But it will not resemble the current collector market where every single auction at least one Charger rolls across. As for car culture going away, tomorrow I am going to the largest hot rod show in the state and it will be mostly populated by people under the age of 40. In WI, the millenials and gen Z are building rat rods out of whatever they can find that has not returned to the earth, and they drive them to work in the summer. Giant cities have maybe forgotten their soul but in the rural areas the highways still equate freedom.

That’s what I said a few in car collections. What part of Wisconsin are you from? From what I see it’s more old guys than young. I don’t go to car shows so I can speak to that. But I go to races. Are there young people there yes, but old guys out number them 2 to 1. I’m in northern Wisconsin so maybe Im not seeing a true example.

 

[Detective D]

That’s what I said a few in car collections. What part of Wisconsin are you from? From what I see it’s more old guys than young. I don’t go to car shows so I can speak to that. But I go to races. Are there young people there yes, but old guys out number them 2 to 1. I’m in northern Wisconsin so maybe Im not seeing a true example.

Iola is certainly not full of old guys, in fact most of them can't handle the terrain and size of the show anymore. Plenty of old guys too, but certainly not the majority anymore.
The Hot Rod show was in Symco, and was packed even despite the weather, and we stood in downpoor rain for 5 minutes last Saturday because it was in the middle of the burnout contest and no one cared. Well a few people cared and ran away to the big engine shed but most didn't, waited it out and watched the tire destruction. Wasn't all youngsters but mostly. A show like that is just straight up gearheads. I try to go every year, that and the Union Thresher's show two or three weeks prior to watch the antique tractor pulls.

A few local small town shows are mostly gen X and millenials/Z's with a mix of "OK" cars and plain ol' rat rods. With the occasional trailer queen Mustang some old fart brought in and a couple of the locals have some hot cars, an original survivor hemi road runner was in the town next door in the spring. He was an older fellow, but the younger guys around here can;t afford stuff like that. One 19 year kid parked his beat down paint 2 door early 80's Olds 88. No one gave him crap, most asked him about it and wished him well in his plans to patch it up, it was his pride and he rattled off a lot of info about Olds.
For the dirt track races, there is a massive income disparity/pay to play in that. I like watching them but I have not been to one in 5 years. I would rather go look at someone's DIY garage-resto car they swapped a big block in then go the the races lately.
I think car culture is not going away, just adapting. gearheads will gearhead, they just have to do it in a way they can still pay for life too. lately that means putting a used 12V cummins into an old 1960's tow truck frame, or garage-spray-booth a flat finish 4 door 1960 Plymouth with a loud poly head more so then trying to restore a traditional muscle car.

 

[Hey-O]

Calm down, Detective. You said a Durango was 1,000 pounds lighter than a Tesla, but failed to mention which model. I merely pointed out not all are that heavy. If you feel that means that you're being 'corrected', take it however you like. Of course if you want to pull lots of weight out of your Durango, that's fine. But it isn't what you first stated.
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Putting someone else on ignore for doing what they do themselves, makes little sense..............

 

[WileE]

A lot of us old car guys hate change. I remember back in the 70s and everyone screaming about Toyota, Honda, Datsun etc. Now a vast majority of you all have Kia, Honda , Subaru etc

Nope. Never did. Never will.

 

[Cranky]

My Durango is 5500lbs I think. Hellcat drivetrain adds a few pounds but competes with all but the tri motor setups.
And I still want the Banshee model for under $70k based on the pricing they announced today.
Or a redeye powered one.... I'm easy to please

What year Durango did you have? Ordered a new 2000 that was just about fully loaded except it was a 2wd. 5.2 with LSD in the back and 3rd seat. The youngest at the time had the option to get it and she said yes....rode in it a total of '1' time lol. Think we had a full load in the car 1 time other than that. It also came with the 15x8 wheels since I also got the fender flare package. Anyway, weighed it at the track (yeah, it made a few passes that evening) and remember it tipping the scales at 4600 and change with a 1/2 tank of gas approximately....just thinking the 5500 number is kinda high?

 

[furious70]

What year Durango did you have? Ordered a new 2000 that was just about fully loaded except it was a 2wd. 5.2 with LSD in the back and 3rd seat. The youngest at the time had the option to get it and she said yes....rode in it a total of '1' time lol. Think we had a full load in the car 1 time other than that. It also came with the 15x8 wheels since I also got the fender flare package. Anyway, weighed it at the track (yeah, it made a few passes that evening) and remember it tipping the scales at 4600 and change with a 1/2 tank of gas approximately....just thinking the 5500 number is kinda high?

2021

 

[Cranky]

2021

I have no idea about the newer ones lol

 

[64plymouth]

Iola is certainly not full of old guys, in fact most of them can't handle the terrain and size of the show anymore. Plenty of old guys too, but certainly not the majority anymore.
The Hot Rod show was in Symco, and was packed even despite the weather, and we stood in downpoor rain for 5 minutes last Saturday because it was in the middle of the burnout contest and no one cared. Well a few people cared and ran away to the big engine shed but most didn't, waited it out and watched the tire destruction. Wasn't all youngsters but mostly. A show like that is just straight up gearheads. I try to go every year, that and the Union Thresher's show two or three weeks prior to watch the antique tractor pulls.

A few local small town shows are mostly gen X and millenials/Z's with a mix of "OK" cars and plain ol' rat rods. With the occasional trailer queen Mustang some old fart brought in and a couple of the locals have some hot cars, an original survivor hemi road runner was in the town next door in the spring. He was an older fellow, but the younger guys around here can;t afford stuff like that. One 19 year kid parked his beat down paint 2 door early 80's Olds 88. No one gave him crap, most asked him about it and wished him well in his plans to patch it up, it was his pride and he rattled off a lot of info about Olds.
For the dirt track races, there is a massive income disparity/pay to play in that. I like watching them but I have not been to one in 5 years. I would rather go look at someone's DIY garage-resto car they swapped a big block in then go the the races lately.
I think car culture is not going away, just adapting. gearheads will gearhead, they just have to do it in a way they can still pay for life too. lately that means putting a used 12V cummins into an old 1960's tow truck frame, or garage-spray-booth a flat finish 4 door 1960 Plymouth with a loud poly head more so then trying to restore a traditional muscle car.

I haven’t been Iola in 10 years. I took my sons when they were younger just so they could experience it, but I don’t think either one has gone by themselves. never been to Symco but what I’ve heard about it sounds more like a carnival party and I gave up drinking and partying many years ago did too much in my younger days lol. As I said, I’m not a car show guy, but the little ones we have in the little towns around us. It’s pretty much the same group of cars just going to different little towns. You see the same 32 Fords and 57 Chevys it doesn’t really impress me. I guess I’m more race orientated and by that I mean, drag racing I look at a 58 Plymouth and all I can see is cutting it up and putting big tires on it lol. As far as the car culture and EV’s, I think they’re gonna be part of the future and we shouldn’t give people that are buying them a hard time even the six-cylinder turbo chargers that they’re coming out with at least they’re still involved. I personally could never afford one so I don’t have to worry I mostly go to drag strips WIR and Union Grove. On a Friday night at the testing tune there are many youngsters there with their BMWs and Lexus hopped up so I don’t think the car culture is dying as much as Racing is.