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Opinions on Replicas/ Clones

If I had a base model; I wouldn't build a clone, tribute, ect.........

base model cars are an awesome blank slate for any type hotrod.....

If I had a base model Charger, I'd be tempted to do a Dirty Mary build
 
If I had a base model; I wouldn't build a clone, tribute, ect.........

base model cars are an awesome blank slate for any type hotrod.....

If I had a base model Charger, I'd be tempted to do a Dirty Mary build
I have a friend who does this with Fords. He's never owned a numbers car, and I'll be the first to admit his stuff is more fun to drive than most OEM stock set ups.
 
I had a 440-4 70 GTX survivor. I was terrified to drive it.

My wife noted, “I don’t care how many cars you have, just enjoy them. I can see you don’t enjoy driving your GTX.”

I now have my ratty 67 Coronet that I drive everywhere almost year round. I’ve been caught in torrential downpours, stuck in traffic, I use it to grocery shop, yada yada yada. I love it.

Short story. Get a clone and drive the **** out of it!
 
Not as enjoyable to drive as you start to think about some jerk not paying attention and the originally is gone along with the value
Or god forbid you come home and find them upside down on the beach like that poor guy in Florida after the storm surge from the hurricane a couple years ago....
 
Nothing wrong with building a replica, tribute or clone as long as you don't try to pass it off as original.
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Had a couple of the real deals back in the day when they were still daily transportation, one was a ’70 Cuda vert, BB,4pd. I sold them long before they went price nuts. Over the decades after getting married, having kids, buying houses, restored a few vehicles that were not of the elite so made them more like it.

It was starting out with the same body (in my case verts liking them) and while tearing them down to an empty shell, adding features when putting back together that the factory didn’t; though were available depending on how it was optioned. It was me adding them that the assemblers at the factory didn’t per orders. Most of the cloning (or pardon me, tributing) was using the same OE options – no buckets, console, rally dash, trim, HD suspension, 4bbl, duals, gearing, etc? Located them and installed. Along the way adding safety features that weren’t always available back when they were made. Just never went so far as re-badging.

Fortunate enough now to buy a real deal, when I wasn’t earlier. No longer have that interest. The one I have being a partial tribute, is the result of years of rebuilding just the way I prefer. I could have gone BB, though I wondered when I would use all the extra horses, racing days are long gone, take it to some shows, fewer than I used to, mostly taking it out in the country with a few car friends or errands (when I don’t have to be concerned where it’s parked). Having around 325 HP, it is fun enough for me to drive.
 
I have a friend who does this with Fords. He's never owned a numbers car, and I'll be the first to admit his stuff is more fun to drive than most OEM stock set ups.
Always had a soft-spot for the Shelby Mustangs. I drove one eons ago, GT500 vert, 4sp, triple black. It was when everyone was dumping their HP rides for Japanese stuff. The car lots were chock full of awesome cars for cheap, was like a kid in a candy store looking at them. And the sales guys were hoping to get rid of them. I test drove maybe half dozen elite muscle rides. I was in my early 20’s and when I’d be on the lot looking, sales guys would come asking if I wanted to drive it? LOL! They didn’t even ride along most of the time.

Remember that Shelby, the asking price was…$2,200. I wonder if these sales guys were hoping I’d crash them so they could get the insurance money to get the car off their lot. Anyway, with all the Mustangs and parts available, making a Shelby replica probably wouldn’t be too much of a hassle. If I was younger I could see doing it.
 
I built this car many years ago, and no longer have it. It just sits in a barn, now. It is not so much a clone, as a "phantom" car. Chrysler could have built it, but did not. So, I dId! 1967 Coronet R/T 3-seat station wagon. Complete with 440, 4-speed, and bucket seat interior.

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I used to own a Hemi car ( ?)... a genuine '56 F100 with a blown 354, the rare 6" chopped top with the even rarererer 833 4 speed riding on B body torsion bars and a 9 1/4"
corporate rear.

No one could tell it wasn't factory
 
built this car many years ago
Very cool wagon. Great body style. Read an article recently about a rare ’71 Ford wagon, 429 police interceptor vehicle in red. Years ago my brother, working at a Ford dealership then, bought a fire chief’s wagon, a ’69, that was ordered there and being turned in. Had the 428 motor and remember the 140-150 speedo it had. While not a mopar, it was an attention grabber.
 
Just to throw in my perspective I'm into numbers resto for cars that should have them, like an A12 69 1/2 or a Charger HEMI R/T. Or a rare combination you can prove. If it's a base car, sure go for it, as long as you don't try to cheat or trick someone!

But for me it depends on the car and what you're doing to it...

Since you're asking in the early B forum, I owned a 65 Coronet for 28 years. Bought in the early 90s for a driver classic Mopar. (I'd always wanted a 68 Charger, but back they out of reach for me, even the drivers.) Picked up the Coronet for $5K. 500 dress trim, a 383/727, and AC, PS, PB. Original Arizona Car, now in CA. Paint still had some shine. NO rust, couple of slight dents and one bondo'd quarter crease.

The car was more than I expected though... It was close to a survivor. 80K original miles. Great interior (intact seats, perfect door panels, headliner, etc.) AND I was the third owner. The second guy gave me original paperwork. No window sticker, but service docs going back to the 60s. Original manual, warranty card. Heck even the paper label to hang on the AC knob to tell you which way hot and cold turned for those unused to AC! :)

Yeah it was my driver for a decade, and I made some changes after I retired it. But because of the shape and original stuff I never considered gutting it into a race car or a clone. I never wanted to make it "Pro Street" either, all the rage at the time.

And I kept everything I ever took off the car (radiator, fan, starter, etc.) Because I thought of myself as a caretaker. Yeah, it was just a 65 500, not a Max Wedge or HEMI, or high-buck late 60s muscle, but it's a time capsule.

When I moved and decided to sell it, I wanted someone who felt the same. The right buyer said "We're just taking care of these cars until we pass them on to the next guy" I knew I had my man! He kept in touch for a while, showing me the good resto work he was doing.

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I got my dream 68 Charger. Had to sell the Coronet and sink a chunk of change from our house sale (now cost 10 times more than in the 90s! :eek:) It's an R/T clone. (No way do I have the money for a real R/T, or want to drive one on the street!)

This car was built for fun. Started as a 318 base model. Now 500HP stroker with Holley EFI and built 727 with dual manual/auto shifting. PS, PB (4 wheel Wilwood). It doesn't have the history or paper trail of the Coronet, so I don't feel bad making any major future changes.

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Just to throw in my perspective I'm into numbers resto for cars that should have them, like an A12 69 1/2 or a Charger HEMI R/T. Or a rare combination you can prove. If it's a base car, sure go for it, as long as you don't try to cheat or trick someone!

But for me it depends on the car and what you're doing to it...

Since you're asking in the early B forum, I owned a 65 Coronet for 28 years. Bought in the early 90s for a driver classic Mopar. (I'd always wanted a 68 Charger, but back they out of reach for me, even the drivers.) Picked up the Coronet for $5K. 500 dress trim, a 383/727, and AC, PS, PB. Original Arizona Car, now in CA. Paint still had some shine. NO rust, couple of slight dents and one bondo'd quarter crease.

The car was more than I expected though... It was close to a survivor. 80K original miles. Great interior (intact seats, perfect door panels, headliner, etc.) AND I was the third owner. The second guy gave me original paperwork. No window sticker, but service docs going back to the 60s. Original manual, warranty card. Heck even the paper label to hang on the AC knob to tell you which way hot and cold turned for those unused to AC!

And I kept everything I ever took off the car (radiator, fan, starter, etc.) Because I thought of myself as a caretaker. Yeah, it was just a 65 500, not a Max Wedge or HEMI, or high-buck late 60s muscle, but it's a time capsule.

When I moved and decided to sell it, I wanted someone who felt the same. The right buyer said "We're just taking care of these cars until we pass them on to the next guy" I knew I had my man! He kept in touch for a while, showing me the good resto work he was doing.
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I got my dream 68 Charger. Had to sell the Coronet and sink a chunk of change from our house sale (now cost 10 times more than in the 90s! :eek:) It's an R/T clone. (No way do I have the money for a real R/T, or want to drive one on the street!)

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I've posted my story on multiple threads over the years. Test drove my dream car when I was 16, and it was brand new. Could not afford it then, or later. Eventually owned others that looked like it when they got cheaper. The original car, a heavily optioned 440 GTX, was nearly sacrificed for a pro street build by the second owner. Luckily, someone like yourself bought it, and preserved its history. I am friends with the original owner's son, and he gave me all the original documents from the dealership, which his dad owned in the 1960s. It's now probably one of the most thoroughly documented GTXs in the country.

The already well preserved car was restored to a high level by the owner before me, and only driven 1000 miles in 28 years. I had mixed feelings when I finally acquired it 52 years after the original test drive. Fate lined up to make me the current caretaker, and I can't say I haven't enjoyed the ride. I've already put more miles on the car than the last owner.

However, there is no escaping the fact being the custodian of such an artifact is stressful. If it hadn't been for my history with this GTX, I might never have bought it. There is a lot to be said for being able to have fun driving a
car without the worry of preserving history. It helps that I'm at the age where resale value is no longer a consideration.
 
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I've posted my story on multiple threads over the years. Test drove my dream car when I was 16, and it was brand new. Could not afford it then, or later. Eventually owned others that looked like it when they got cheaper. The original car, a heavily optioned 440 GTX, was nearly sacrificed for a pro street build by the second owner. Luckily, someone like yourself bought it, and preserved its history. I am friends with the original owner's son, and he gave me all the original documents from the dealership, which his dad owned in the 1960s. It's now probably one of the most thoroughly documented GTXs in the country.

The already well preserved car was restored to a high level by the owner before me, and only driven 1000 miles in 28 years. I had mixed feelings when I finally acquired it 52 years after the original test drive. Fate lined up to make me the current caretaker, and I can't say I haven't enjoyed the ride. I've already put more miles on the car than the last owner.

However, there is no escaping the fact being the custodian of such an artifact is stressful. If it hadn't been for my history with this GTX, I might never have bought it. There is a lot to be said for being able to have fun driving a
car without the worry of preserving history. It helps that I'm at the age where resale value is no longer a consideration.
That's fantastic! I know it must be scary to drive, but you can't beat having THE car you always wanted!

I hate hearing stuff like this though:
The original car, a heavily optioned 440 GTX, was nearly sacrificed for a pro street build by the second owner.

Glad it was saved! I've seen far too many cars lost to this.

Or the current restomod craze: I don't mind cloning, but once you start cutting into the frame, body, etc. it'll never go back to the way it was originally. Without spending as much as a full restoration just to turn it back...
 
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