Looking for B5 '70 GTX RS23U0G247251

[EmitRDetsaw]

This car was my older brother's car, he bought new from Barker Chrysler Plymouth in Eugene, OR in June, 1970. He sold the car in 1984 in Colorado Springs, CO. That individual then sold the car to a buyer in Denver, CO in 1985. The car was not registered or titled (to our knowledge) after my brother sold it. Multiple VIN searches through the Colorado DMV brought back no owner information. The trail went cold in '85.

The Car itself is EB5 blue w/white vinyl top, blue interior, 440/4, 4-speed, Dana 60 w/3.54, 14" wheels. No air grabber, no center console, no tic-toc-tac. AM radio. Black stripe.

Oddball "upgrades" done by my well-meaning brother were a padded "jump seat" so bro could cuddle with his squeeze, round exhaust tips (he said the stockers discolored the chrome on the bumper) and - are ya ready kids - a five-gallon marine "auxiliary" fuel tank with a marine-style screw-on gas cap drilled through top of the right rear quarter panel. Such are the scars of the personalization process.

Photos? Apparently they are as gone as the car. Why no photos? My brother had no excuse.

Anyhoo, if any of you have a line on where the car is (if not in the crusher), please contact me. If it is in workable/salvageable condition, I am possibly interested in purchasing it. Thanks in Advance.

Don
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[moparlore]

That was a long time ago, I wish you much luck.

 

[EmitRDetsaw]

Yeah, thanks. This is a Hail Mary, I know.

 

[wilmacmike]

Yeah, thanks. This is a Hail Mary, I know.

Wish you the best in your search....

 

[EmitRDetsaw]

Update on my email, please disregard previous - fz1tdmrdysr@gmail.com . Still looking for the car.

Don

 

[moparchris]

There is a gentleman over on the Moparts website who did a restoration on an B5 White top 4 speed GTX a couple of years ago. He is in California. Not too far from Colorado. You might check over there.

 

[EmitRDetsaw]

Gracias. Looking thru that site now. It is quite the hodge-podge of information, web design layout errors, and pop-up ads. But I must persevere.

 

[EmitRDetsaw]

Bump!

Contact update for me - fz1tdmrdysr@gmail.com - I'm still hoping to get some information on the car. My brother, the original owner, passed in March of this year. We talked extensively about the car and his street racing "career" shortly before his death. The stories he told me made me want to find it all the more. Street racers back in the day were a clandestine group of scofflaws, I'm certain it was mostly by necessity.

Has anyone here had any luck with finding their old cars through the Lost Muscle Cars group on Facebook? I don't go to FB except to peruse the Marketplace ads, but that group came up on my feed and looked interesting.

 

[gtxdana]

Bump!

Contact update for me - fz1tdmrdysr@gmail.com - I'm still hoping to get some information on the car. My brother, the original owner, passed in March of this year. We talked extensively about the car and his street racing "career" shortly before his death. The stories he told me made me want to find it all the more. Street racers back in the day were a clandestine group of scofflaws, I'm certain it was mostly by necessity.

Has anyone here had any luck with finding their old cars through the Lost Muscle Cars group on Facebook? I don't go to FB except to peruse the Marketplace ads, but that group came up on my feed and looked interesting.

I think some cars have been found through the Lost Muscle Cars group on FB. You can also post on the GTX owners groups there as well.

 

[68BabyBlue]

I am assuming you've checked Roger Wilson's 1970 GTX registry, and it's not listed there? I've spent a decade trying to re-unite original paperwork with a 1970 GTX I owned in late 70s, with no success, Roger was my first connection in the process. Roger put the VIN in the registry with me as last known owner, no hits at this point.

I've recovered two cars from out of my past, and neither one happened via the internet. One was a phone call resulting from paperwork passed with the sale two decades earlier. The other, 20 years ago I walked the field at the Carlisle Chrysler Nationals, showing pictures of the car. I found the current owner after about a dozen attempts, and bought the GTX three years ago. Good luck, these long shot reunions are rare, but I know from personal experience they happen.

 

[EmitRDetsaw]

I am assuming you've checked Roger Wilson's 1970 GTX registry, and it's not listed there? I've spent a decade trying to re-unite original paperwork with a 1970 GTX I owned in late 70s, with no success, Roger was my first connection in the process. Roger put the VIN in the registry with me as last known owner, no hits at this point.

I've recovered two cars from out of my past, and neither one happened via the internet. One was a phone call resulting from paperwork passed with the sale two decades earlier. The other, 20 years ago I walked the field at the Carlisle Chrysler Nationals, showing pictures of the car. I found the current owner after about a dozen attempts, and bought the GTX three years ago. Good luck, these long shot reunions are rare, but I know from personal experience they happen.

Yup, first place I went was Roger, and he said the VIN was not in the registry. I remain hopeful.

 

[68BabyBlue]

Yup, first place I went was Roger, and he said the VIN was not in the registry. I remain hopeful.

I do as well. My former car changed hands in the late 80s at a dealer who specialized in performance B bodies. It was completely stock, numbers matching, and priced high enough that I'm optimistic it didn't get trashed. I have the original owner's manual with the original owner's signature on the warranty card, and the second owner's on the transfer paperwork. I was number three, and kept all the maintenance records. I kept all the documents figuring I would want them if I ever got the car back.

Instead, I basically won the lottery when I got the '69 that started it all. The car had a folder of original documents, and it got better when the original owner's son gave me the factory invoice, shipping papers, and punch card the family had kept when they owned the dealership. With that car in my garage, I don't want the '70 back, but I would like to see it re-united with the documents.

 

[EmitRDetsaw]

I FOUND IT!!! It is in Illinois. Owned by a nice gentlemen who appears to be an enthusiast and ex-racer of some renown. He’s not on the registry nor a member here so I’ll leave it at that. The car looks to be restored and a six-barrel intake put on it. I’m not in a position financially to throw a bunch of money at him to buy it, but I hope he gives me right of first refusal if he does sell it. My wife asked me how much a restored 70 GTX would go for, and I replied somewhere north of $50K and she said something like “Not a ******* chance” and went back to sleep. At least I know it’s out there and not recycled into Chevy parts…

 

[#41]

I FOUND IT!!! It is in Illinois. Owned by a nice gentlemen who appears to be an enthusiast and ex-racer of some renown. He’s not on the registry nor a member here so I’ll leave it at that. The car looks to be restored and a six-barrel intake put on it. I’m not in a position financially to throw a bunch of money at him to buy it, but I hope he gives me right of first refusal if he does sell it. My wife asked me how much a restored 70 GTX would go for, and I replied somewhere north of $50K and she said something like “Not a ******* chance” and went back to sleep. At least I know it’s out there and not recycled into Chevy parts…

Wow, so you CAN find a needle in a haystack. Just search for 8 years! Please tell us more about how you came to find it. Inquiring minds want to know

 

[EmitRDetsaw]

Pure happenstance is how I found it. I didn’t know there was a FB page dedicated to ‘70 GTX’s, but there is. Someone there had posted “Virtual Car Show” and encouraged people post photos of their cars. I started to look at the photos expecting another dead end, when the car appeared magically on my computer screen. Unfortunately, although being the correct color combo, it had a 440+6 decal on the hood. I messaged the poster and asked if it was a true V code or a U code. He replied it was a U code, and I sent him the whole VIN. He shot back, “Yup. That’s my car.” I told him I could add some provenance to the car’s backstory. So now I’m filling his head with all manner of anecdotal information about the car as I know it up to the time my brother sold it. And believe me, I wish I had only been looking for it for 8 years! I started looking for it in 1985, right after my brother sold it. I was doing DMV searches weekly to the point where the ladies at the Colorado DMV knew me by name. The person who bought it never transferred title in Colorado, and nationwide searches back then were not possible unless you knew somebody who knew somebody. So, there ya go. Right place at the right time I guess.

 

[68BabyBlue]

As stated in my earlier posts, that's how this stuff happens! The downside is that the back story drives the prices of such cars even higher than the already steep book values. We had a member here who was offering $100,000 if anyone could produce his no frills 383 Road Runner from back in the day. When I finally got my current GTX after a 50 year chase, the seller wanted about $20,000 over book. I finally got him to drop $10K after three months of negotiations. I got lucky on multiple counts, the market value rose steeply in the next year.

Ironically, I had offered the closing price to the seller three years earlier, and he had turned me down. At that point I assumed we would never do a deal. I had the financial means to buy a numbers matching Hemi GTX, and bought a nice one from this site two years later. A year later the seller of the original car called me and offered me right of first refusal. When I closed the deal, I was prepared to keep the Hemi, and walk away. That motivated the seller to yield.

I took the car to Carlisle the following summer, and turned down a six figure offer after a deep pocket potential buyer examined the car's provenance. Regardless, that is incredibly cool that you finally found it. I'm also planning on passing my car to a friend for considerably less than I paid for it, so you might end up on the right end of this story if the current owner has similar sentiments.

 

[EmitRDetsaw]

As stated in my earlier posts, that's how this stuff happens! The downside is that the back story drives the prices of such cars even higher than the already steep book values. We had a member here who was offering $100,000 if anyone could produce his no frills 383 Road Runner from back in the day. When I finally got my current GTX after a 50 year chase, the seller wanted about $20,000 over book. I finally got him to drop $10K after three months of negotiations. I got lucky on multiple counts, the market value rose steeply in the next year.

Ironically, I had offered the closing price to the seller three years earlier, and he had turned me down. At that point I assumed we would never do a deal. I had the financial means to buy a numbers matching Hemi GTX, and bought a nice one from this site two years later. A year later the seller of the original car called me and offered me right of first refusal. When I closed the deal, I was prepared to keep the Hemi, and walk away. That motivated the seller to yield.

I took the car to Carlisle the following summer, and turned down a six figure offer after a deep pocket potential buyer examined the car's provenance. Regardless, that is incredibly cool that you finally found it. I'm also planning on passing my car to a friend for considerably less than I paid for it, so you might end up on the right end of this story if the current owner has similar sentiments.

I'm not holding out hope on buying it, like, ever. I'd love to, don't get me wrong, but I have a garage full of liter-sized superbikes that I've collected over the years that will have to satiate my need for unbridled acceleration. Maybe the current owner takes pity on me down the road.

You're so spot on with your assessment of the "lost muscle car" buyer's premium that so permeates the market. It has priced slugs like me totally out of the game. Your friend is a lucky man.

 

[68BabyBlue]

My friend Scott had my back 30 years ago in a really rough work situation, opening a truck terminal in the Hunts Point Terminal Market in the South Bronx, when no others would help me. Making that operation work clinched my move to the executive suite, and paid for multiple GTXs in later years. My buddy has driven my last four, and really appreciates them, even though he grew up as a Ford guy. He's earned the car.