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69 440 six pack motor

Beavis said:
did they only put the 440 six pack in the A12 ?? did they put it in a convertible ??

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where should i buy the rebuild kit for the 4 speed tranny ?

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this is the block vin# XS29M9B178
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The stamped VIN number XS29M9 does indicate this was from a Six Pack car as the 1969 engine code for the Six Pack is M. I would say that yes, it is a Six Pack engine.

In 1969 the rods used in the Six Pack engines were the same as the general production rods but were special in that they were 100% Magnafluxed inspected. They were not the heavy "Six Pack" rods and the engines were internally balanced in 1969.

$8,800 would appear to be a fair price if the engine was assembled properly.
 
IQ52 said:
The stamped VIN number XS29M9 does indicate this was from a Six Pack car as the 1969 engine code for the Six Pack is M. I would say that yes, it is a Six Pack engine.
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Having the full VIN on the block tells us the car was built, probably, before 1/1/69 or shortly thereafter as you do not find many cars after this date with the full VIN.
This also tells us the car was built 2-3 months before the 6bbl engine was even installed in A12 cars.
To my knowledge, no 69 Charger 6bbls have ever been documented.
IMHO...it is likely the M is a misstamp, possible restamp or was read improperly.
 
Beavis said:
its says its a 6 pack block here.

vin# XS29M9B178

http://www.allpar.com/mopar/enginecodes.html
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Yes it does, but it does not say the engine was available in a Charger.
A 178*** VIN at the Hamtrack (B) plant puts the car's SPD about A15 of 1968.
Now we're even further away from when the actual engines were installed in RR's and SB.
The original factory paperwork for the 440-6bbl motors wasn't issued until January of 1969.

IMHO...it is likely the M is a misstamp, possible restamp or was read improperly.
 

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terzmo said:
he stated stock...which of course could have hardened seats...valve job on iron stck heads shouldn't go over 600....stock.
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Seats, guides, possible valves (45 year old valves probably need replacing), springs, possible retainers, mill to clean up and anyone that likes better performance should do the bowls. Heads are off, so why not. The factory should have done a better job of that in the first place. Still 600 bucks?
 
could it be a late 69 motor for a 1970 car ?

did the six pack motor only come in the A12 car in 69 & 69 1/2?
 
Beavis said:
could it be a late 69 motor for a 1970 car ?

did the six pack motor only come in the A12 car in 69 & 69 1/2?
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No...as the 6bbl would have coded "V" for 70.
The full VIN is, supposed, to be on the block. The full VIN on a block usually ends late Dec/early Jan of 68/69.

Unless, a verified, lock solid documented car shows up, yes the 6bbl was only available in the A12 RR's and SB's.

What is the engine assembly date (EAD) on the top pad?
Can a picture of the VIN stamp, EAD on the pad or pan rail be posted?
 
Let's get back to the original question....WIW?

A block is a block is a block regardless of the induction system sitting on top of it. A 440 block out of a Chrysler is the same block out of a GTX or A12 Super Bee. What it came out of is mostly irrelevant.

To me...'date correct' means nothing in a post 67 car and adds no additional value. I would not pay extra simply for that perceived value. Others have a different perspective.

A rebuilt engine is 'worth' the sum value of the components used and the quality of the build.
Was the block machined in any way? Who did the work? How was it done?
What quality of components were used? Did they use a cheap off shore junk crank to keep the cost down or high quality parts?
Was the total package properly matched or just thrown together? Does the cam make sense for the compression, head flow and induction?
For what exhaust system was the build done? Stock manifolds? Headers?
How much head work, if any, was done? Who did it? What was the quality and why was it done?
Any receipts or documentation on the build?
What's the reputation of the shop?
Any dyno documentation?
How complete is the package? What more do I need to do?

Focus on the quality and completeness of the package, not what it came from. An original assembly is 45+ years old. Even if it was 'special', the value of that assembly is long gone and means little except to the person that owns that specific car and trying to reunite the engine with the body. Who would buy and run an original engine with original parts this far down the line with out replacing things?
 
this is the original ad:

Up for grabs is a very nice and Ultra Rare 440 HP Six Pack Plymouth / Dodge fresh rebuilt engine. If you have a Charger, Roadrunner, Superbee, Coronet, Cuda, Challenger or just a nice mopar project, This is what you need. Where else can you find an engine this COMPLETE !!! The engine is painted in it's original street Hemi orange . This is a FORGED STEEL CRANK engine. It's complete from carbs to pan. Built with only the finest parts. Up graded with TRW/SpeedPro forged pistons and speed pro moly rings. The six pack rods are resized and fitted with ARP rod bolts. The complete rotating assembly is balanced. A New Hydraulic cam and lifters with double roller timing chain and gears are also installed. A complete 3 angle valve job with hard seats for unleaded gas is given to the stock castings along with factory correct valve covers, unless you want chrome. Each engiine is test run 3 times at 20 minutes each, to assure constant oil pressure, vacume,and to insure no leaks, as well as running in the camshaft . When it goes in the crate, it's ready to drop in and run. It will include the upper and lower pullies with new fan belt, as well as a new fuel pump , water pump front case housing and new aluminum Hi volume water pump. Also included is a new alternator and all the factory correct mounting brackets that go with it. You also get the spark plugs and wires along with a factory correct coil. Everything you need to plug and play. The exhaust manifolds are ALSO included with this engine.
 
I'm far too skeptical....

Up for grabs is a very nice and Ultra Rare 440 HP Six Pack Plymouth / Dodge fresh rebuilt engine. Uh-huh. Sales speak. We've pretty much proven it's not an original 69 6bbl engine.

If you have a Charger, Roadrunner, Superbee, Coronet, Cuda, Challenger or just a nice mopar project, This is what you need. More sales speak. How do you know what I need?

Where else can you find an engine this COMPLETE !!! Don't know. Haven't looked

The engine is painted in it's original street Hemi orange . and?????. So?????

This is a FORGED STEEL CRANK engine. Finally something useful. What crank? Was the crank machined in any way? What bearings were used when it was put in?

It's complete from carbs to pan. What carbs? Manual or automatic center carb? What pan? Will the pan work for my car?

Built with only the finest parts. According to the seller. I may disagree once I see the receipts

Up graded with TRW/SpeedPro forged pistons and speed pro moly rings. Something useful. Which pistons? How far over did they bore it if at all? Compression?

The six pack rods are resized and fitted with ARP rod bolts. Ah the old '6 pack rods' rear up. Are they original rods? Condition? Why were original rods used? What bearings were used to rebuild the engine?

The complete rotating assembly is balanced. Somewhat useful. Who did it? Specs? Documentation?

A New Hydraulic cam and lifters with double roller timing chain and gears are also installed. Which cam? Specs? Does it fit with the rest of the build?

A complete 3 angle valve job with hard seats for unleaded gas is given to the stock castings Somewhat useful. Who did it? How was it done? Any flow work done"

along with factory correct valve covers factory correct for what? An '68 Imperial? A '69 B body? A 70 E-body as referenced above?, unless you want chrome.

The exhaust manifolds are ALSO included with this engine. Again, which manifolds?

There's more but I think you get the jist. Beware of sales speak. Ask A LOT of questions. Ask for proof of claims. Trust but verify. The last thing you need is to drop 6K+ into a mismatched grenade.
 
He is sending me pictures of all the numbers.

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I can't tell the whole VIN but a 177*** VIN and 9 11 assembly date is way too early for an A12 6bbl car.
Is that a "B" I see in the VIN? Again, wrong plant and for 6bbl car. Wrong VIN range for a B body.
 
Beavis said:
Vin# WM23M9B177254
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Bogus restamped VIN. WM (Super Bees) were not made at Hamtramck (B plant). 9B177**** is an A body VIN at 69 Hamtramck. It's not even for an XS29L9B Charger. M code on a block six months before they were released.
 
Is there such a thing as a HP2 motor??

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