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Charging electric cars

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Richard Cranium said:
I find it interesting that there are those who say that the internal combustion engine is outdated & needs to be replaced with electric, but only for automobiles. Trains, planes, ships, and everything else that's powered by dreaded internal combustion engine seem to be left out of the conversation. Why is that?
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That is a fair question. In fact, I'm not sure why transportation sector is the hot topic? 30% of pollutants including carbon/greenhouse gas emissions come from transportation. 60% is from electricity generation. I'm guessing that transportation is a softer and easier target?
 
Dan64 said:
Cojohnso1, serious question , if the environment is your main concern ( and it's a pretty big concern as it should be) please explain to folks like myself that are not opposed to availability electric vehicles ,only the mandate of electric vehicles your concerns for the environmental impact that the production, meaning strip mining,of battery production and disposal of spent batteries( what's the plan for them?). Also any thoughts on the impact of the environment to produce the added power needed to "fuel" these vehicles . We can't blindly say electric is cleaner than gas until these things are addressed ?. To not look past the immediate face value "electric is obviously cleaner than gas" which is being sold to the public without looking behind the scenes is moronic.
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Strip mining repair is not that difficult. (At least technically.) Historically mining companies do not budget for backfill. One idea? Is use area for waste disposal? Layering refuge fill is the most ecologically sound waste burial process possible? The problem of course is distance. Mining operations are typically farther from population centers than most waste facilities. But looking at the waste problem that many of these struggling countries have? Seems obvious to me? I'm fact. You may have more room to dump than you produce? Thus buy trash from developed countries. (At a premium but fair price?) If they have the machinery to move rock for lithium mining? They certainly can use to dump and bury?
 
Cojohnso1 said:
Strip mining repair is not that difficult. (At least technically.) Historically mining companies do not budget for backfill. One idea? Is use area for waste disposal? Layering refuge fill is the most ecologically sound waste burial process possible? The problem of course is distance. Mining operations are typically farther from population centers than most waste facilities. But looking at the waste problem that many of these struggling countries have? Seems obvious to me? I'm fact. You may have more room to dump than you produce? Thus buy trash from developed countries. (At a premium but fair price?) If they have the machinery to move rock for lithium mining? They certainly can use to dump and bury?
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Ok cool, so we'll strip mine the crap out of the poorest countries ( until their leaders and our are rich from it) and then because the ground is now junk we mine as well turn it into dump. I know we can bury all of the spent batteries there. Progress! I love it. Let's move forward with this now! ****, let's mandate it. Fire up the doziers and throw some more coal in the burner,I'm going green!
 
Cojohnso1 said:
Strip mining repair is not that difficult. (At least technically.) Historically mining companies do not budget for backfill. One idea? Is use area for waste disposal? Layering refuge fill is the most ecologically sound waste burial process possible? The problem of course is distance. Mining operations are typically farther from population centers than most waste facilities. But looking at the waste problem that many of these struggling countries have? Seems obvious to me? I'm fact. You may have more room to dump than you produce? Thus buy trash from developed countries. (At a premium but fair price?) If they have the machinery to move rock for lithium mining? They certainly can use to dump and bury?
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Then sell your car and join a Prius forum.....
 
If temps increased 4° with a 100 ppm increase to 60° Then how much would it increase 800 ppm more? (And that's assuming the rate slope is constant. It's not. The rate increases as well. But for our math? We'll say it's constant.) 32° increase. To 1200 ppm.

Come on. It's not that tough?
 
I'm trying to see if there is a rate formula to be more accurate. But math will get tougher. (If any formula exists)

Science just may not know?
 
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