‘Privacy Nightmare on Wheels’: Every Car Brand Reviewed By Mozilla — Including Ford, Volkswagen and Toyota — Flunks Privacy Test

[Budnicks]

Not at all surprised...

 

[chargervert]

I'm surprised some techy geek hasn't come up with a security system we could buy to keep them from listening and mining our information in these modern cars.

 

[440 PHIXX]

I'm surprised some techy geek hasn't come up with a security system we could buy to keep them from listening and mining our information in these modern cars.

It all started in 2014 when the government mandated all new cars to have a “black box”. People didn’t seem to care. At least no where near enough of them. Hell, they actually got people to allow insurance companies to constantly monitor their every input while driving the car, for a slight savings in cost of insurance.

Btw… GM had “Onstar” since ‘99 which was basically the test scenario.

 

[T2R9]

As an IT guy by day and a Mopar guy all other times all I can say is don't give any personal information to any site, device, store, or else wise when they want an email, phone number, or what ever. Use a email that has no ties to any personal stuff like banking and such for this stuff. Stores that ask for your phone number on checkout are the worst. I just say I don't have a phone, the young cashier looks at me all confused.

 

[Detective D]

Lauren Fix claimed it watched your eye motion, and determines if you are inebriated. Idk… I do know my daily is a ‘68. I’m building a ‘68 GTX to use daily, except in the winter. I’m 58, so I should be able to get older cars without that stuff for the time I’ve got left. But like I eluded to in other posts… when the insurance companies deny to write a policy if you don’t have those things… or it becomes cost prohibitive… I’ll be out.

It will watch your eyes, like when Tiger woods got in his accident.
Ford is on record(volvo too I think) already talking about sensing alcohol through skin contact. They will cover all the bases. They can use the alcohol skin contact thing to open the door to read other biometrics like the back of people's smart watches.
I own:
1990 Ramcharger
1994 Mustang
1978 Monaco(needs help yet though)
1998 Dakota
2002 Silverado 2500
2003 Impala(daughters car though
2013 Charger. This one was going to be sold but I am waiting for the fallout from the coming BS storm, cash for clunkers EV version, etc to make the value go up 50% in the next 2 years.

So I put like 11k miles a year on. In my 40's. I should be able to make it too, except I will still have to deal with them outlawing gasoline in my lifetime I think.

 

[Gus chiggins]

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(WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 6, 2023) -- All 25 major car brands reviewed in Mozilla’s latest edition of *Privacy Not Included (*PNI) received failing marks for consumer privacy, a first in the buyer's guide’s seven-year history.


According to Mozilla research, popular global brands — including BMW, Ford, Toyota, Tesla, Kia, and Subaru — can collect deeply personal data such as sexual activity, immigration status, race, facial expressions, weight, health and genetic information, and where you drive. Researchers found data is being gathered by sensors, microphones, cameras, and the phones and devices drivers connect to their cars, as well as by car apps, company websites, dealerships, and vehicle telematics. Brands can then share or sell this data to third parties. Car brands can also take much of this data and use it to develop inferences about a driver’s intelligence, abilities, characteristics, preferences, and more.

In another first for Mozilla’s *Privacy Not Included research, none of the brands meet Mozilla’s Minimum Security Standards. Specifically, researchers couldn’t confirm whether any of the brands encrypt all of the personal information they store on vehicles, and only one of the brands (Mercedes) even replied to Mozilla’s questions about encryption.

The newest edition of *PNI examines the privacy and security flaws of car brands spanning five countries: the U.S., Germany, Japan, France, and South Korea. Researchers spent 600 hours reading privacy policies, downloading apps, and corresponding with brands; the full methodology can be found here.

The very worst offender is Nissan. The Japanese car manufacturer admits in their privacy policy to collecting a wide range of information, including sexual activity, health diagnosis data, and genetic data — but doesn’t specify how. They say they can share and sell consumers’ “preferences, characteristics, psychological trends, predispositions, behavior, attitudes, intelligence, abilities, and aptitudes” to data brokers, law enforcement, and other third parties.

Other top offenders include Volkswagen, which collects demographic data (like age and gender) and driving behaviors (like your seatbelt and braking habits) for targeted marketing purposes; Toyota, which features a near-incomprehensible galaxy of 12 privacy policy documents; Kia, whose privacy policy states they can collect information about your “sex life;” and Mercedes-Benz, which manufactures certain models with TikTok (an app with its own privacy issues) pre-installed. Analysts estimate that by 2030, car data monetization could be an industry worth $750 billion.

Not a single brand received Mozilla’s Best Of designation, though researchers identified Renault as the least problematic. The European brand must comply with General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR), a stringent law governing the way in which personal data is used, processed, and stored.

Says Jen Caltrider, *PNI Program Director: “Many people think of their car as a private space — somewhere to call your doctor, have a personal conversation with your kid on the way to school, cry your eyes out over a break-up, or drive places you might not want the world to know about. But that perception no longer matches reality. All new cars today are privacy nightmares on wheels that collect huge amounts of personal information."

Says Misha Rykov, *PNI Researcher: “This isn’t the first time Mozilla has uncovered an industry with terrible privacy practices. But cars are unique — their privacy flaws impact not just the driver, but also passengers and sometimes even nearby pedestrians. They can hear you, see you, and track you. Today, sitting in someone’s car is a lot like handing your phone over to the auto manufacturer."

Additional key findings include:​

Apps add a new level of complexity (and creepiness). These days, few products come without an associated app — and autos are no exception. Today’s cars have apps that can be handy, helping you find your ride in a crowded parking lot or start your car remotely. But these apps are also an avenue for collecting even more personal data, like location and biometric information. Further, the governance of these apps can be convoluted: BMW USA, for example, manages an app for Toyota.

Many car brands engage in “privacy washing.” Privacy washing is the act of pretending to protect consumers’ privacy while not actually doing so — and many brands are guilty of this. For example, several have signed on to the automotive Consumer Privacy Protection Principles. But these principles are nonbinding and created by the automakers themselves. Further, signatories don't even follow their own principles, like Data Minimization (i.e. collecting only the data that is needed).

Meaningful consent is nonexistent. Often, “consent” to collect personal data is presumed by simply being a passenger in the car. For example, Subaru states that by being a passenger, you are considered a user — and by being a user, you have consented to their privacy policy. Several car brands also note that it is a driver’s responsibility to tell passengers about the vehicle's privacy policies.

Autos’ privacy policies and processes are especially bad. Legible privacy policies are uncommon, but they’re exceptionally rare in the automotive industry. Brands like Audi and Tesla feature policies that are confusing, lengthy, and vague. Some brands have more than five different privacy policy documents, an unreasonable number for consumers to engage with; Toyota has 12. Meanwhile, it’s difficult to find a contact with whom to discuss privacy concerns. Indeed, 12 companies representing 20 car brands didn’t even respond to emails from Mozilla researchers.

Car brands share personal information with law enforcement and governments. Hyundai’s privacy policy says, for example, that they can share data with law enforcement and governments based on “formal or informal” requests. Kia’s policy says they may share data in many scenarios “if, in our good faith opinion, such is required or permitted by law.” In other words: The threshold for sharing incredibly sensitive information is very low.

Data breaches are common. Serious data leaks and breaches are ordinary in the industry, from Tesla employees gawking at videos captured by consumers’ cars, to Volkswagen and Toyota leaking the personal information of millions of customers.

Consumers have very little control. While consumers can choose to not use a car app or try not to use connected services, that might mean their car doesn’t work properly — or at all. Consumers have almost zero control and options in regard to privacy, other than simply buying an older model. Regulators and policy makers are behind on this front.

I have a 2011 Dodge Charger RT, No navigation system, it has no app capability. I leave my phone at home when i go out. I disabled location tracking on said phone also. I'm sure they still have ways to track though.

 

[chargervert]

How the eff do they know about sexual activity? If you azz is bouncing up and down on the seats they know you are getting some action?

 

[WileERobby]

How the eff do they know about sexual activity? If you azz is bouncing up and down on the seats they know you are getting some action?

No new technology there. We could tell back in the 70's when worn shocks would reveal the activity inside the customized vans of the day.

 

[chargervert]

No new technology there. We could tell back in the 70's when worn shocks would reveal the activity inside the customized vans of the day.

I still got my PERV van as my wife likes to call it. She didn't like it when I told her that PERV stand for Pete's Excellent Recreational Vehicle! Lol

 

[Gus chiggins]

How the eff do they know about sexual activity? If you azz is bouncing up and down on the seats they know you are getting some action?

How the eff do they know about sexual activity? If you azz is bouncing up and down on the seats they know you are getting some action?

If you are looking at certain apps on your cars video screen, dating apps etc

 

[WileERobby]

I still got my PERV van as my wife likes to call it. She didn't like it when I told her that PERV stand for Pete's Excellent Recreational Vehicle! Lol

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Nice... I had a couple of customized E-150's in the 70's.... a very useful and versatile vehicle ! With good shocks, of course.