440 Source MELONIZED intermediate shaft gear

[mopardemon]

from the top of the gear to the bottom of the dist. flange where it sits on the block is 3.75 inches
you will see from the pictures its barley engaged. last photo in dist. and gear on my bench

 

[Mopar Hunter]

What distributor are you using? It could be that.

 

[BLK 68 R/T]

What distributor are you using? It could be that.

This is what I was wondering as well. Might be a small block distributor? Think the are longer than a B engine but shorter than an RB. So that might be the reason for the minimal engagement?
I could be all mistaken on that as well lol.

 

[Mopar Hunter]

This is what I was wondering as well. Might be a small block distributor? Think the are longer than a B engine but shorter than an RB. So that might be the reason for the minimal engagement?
I could be all mistaken on that as well lol.

I’m sure there would be others complaining about the fitment if it was the gear. 440Source would make it right.

 

[mopardemon]

I'm using an msd dist. its for an rb, called 440 source they asked me to send them some pictures
explained to them what the problem is

 

[Vertex_Jeff]

I compared the overall lengths of the 2 i provided measurements for in previous posts. they were equal overall length. Stupid question: is your distributor all the way seated in the block? Sometimes the o-ring on the dizzy takes a little lube and persuasion to get it all the way down in the block.

 

[ckessel]

This is what I was wondering as well. Might be a small block distributor? Think the are longer than a B engine but shorter than an RB. So that might be the reason for the minimal engagement?
I could be all mistaken on that as well lol.

I have the remains of an A distributor I use for oil pump priming. I compared it to my new 440 unit for the wagon. The A is longer on the shaft tip by 3/8" or so on the overall length between the two. I'm doing r&d on efi for the wagon down the road and am going to use a 5.2/5.9 magnum distributor as it's a Hall effect unit. Before I pick up a used unit to test fit by the head, I'll slip my primer in that spot to verify.

 

[mopardemon]

I compared the overall lengths of the 2 i provided measurements for in previous posts. they were equal overall length. Stupid question: is your distributor all the way seated in the block? Sometimes the o-ring on the dizzy takes a little lube and persuasion to get it all the way down in the block.

dist is all the way seated ,made sure, i think the problem is the slot might be to short

 

[furious70]

I’m sure there would be others complaining about the fitment if it was the gear. 440Source would make it right.

How many people would think to check if it's short like this though? It'll fit and it'll work as pictured. Might cause some irratic spark bounce though as the dizzy might have extra slop.
Now, if it was short into the oil pump like that and you cranked off 110psi cold you could have problems

 

[andrewwoz]

from the top of the gear to the bottom of the dist. flange where it sits on the block is 3.75 inches
you will see from the pictures its barley engaged. last photo in dist. and gear on my bench

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Are you able to verify if you get the same ~1.38" measurement @Vertex_Jeff got? The shop saying it was very different from the hughes one makes me think it has to be that measurement being different.

Last week I was up in the air between getting the 440 source shaft or the hughes and ended up going with hughes, it will be here Thursday and I'll post up dimensions.

 

[mopardemon]

Are you able to verify if you get the same ~1.38" measurement @Vertex_Jeff got? The shop saying it was very different from the hughes one makes me think it has to be that measurement being different.

Last week I was up in the air between getting the 440 source shaft or the hughes and ended up going with hughes, it will be here Thursday and I'll post up dimensions.

you will see the difference in the hughs, much better quality, need to hear from someone using the 440 source gear

 

[4mulas]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but there’s not particularly a lot of load on that shaft anyway is there?

 

[andrewwoz]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but there’s not particularly a lot of load on that shaft anyway is there?

I was thinking the same thing, just the load to spin the distributor. It seems like a bigger concern could the gear/shaft moving up to fully seat into the distributor shaft could be the bigger issue and cause timing issues, like furious70 mentioned. I could also be thinking about it wrong.

 

[4mulas]

I was thinking the same thing, just the load to spin the distributor. It seems like a bigger concern could the gear/shaft moving up to fully seat into the distributor shaft could be the bigger issue and cause timing issues, like furious70 mentioned. I could also be thinking about it wrong.

I think the nature of the gear is that the spinning direction and force pushes it into the pump? Just like flat tappet cam pushes itself to the rear of the motor by way of design?

 

[Fran Blacker]

Reverse rotation BB have piece that holds distributor down. Piece on left goes in distributor hole. Distributor shaft and the hold down bracket are longer.

 

[lewtot184]

From what i see;...run it

 

[Mopar Hunter]

@mopardemon are you concern if the gear will pop up out of the oil pump?

 

[mopardemon]

I was thinking the same thing, just the load to spin the distributor. It seems like a bigger concern could the gear/shaft moving up to fully seat into the distributor shaft could be the bigger issue and cause timing issues, like furious70 mentioned. I could also be thinking about it wrong.

The shaft/gear will move up, the problem when it moves up is what happens to the cam gear riding along side it

 

[mopardemon]

@mopardemon are you concern if the gear will pop up out of the oil pump?

cant pop out dist there but it can move up roughly 1/8 or a bit more