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75 to 150 Nitrous Kit on a Poly 318

Belle66

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Hi Everyone,
Now that the body work is wrapping up I'm looking to the drivetrain and power plant again. I've got a poly rebuilt by the previous owner. It has a slightly larger that stock cam. (I don't have the card) A Weiand intake and a 650 Holley. Behind it is a 727 with medium shift kit, low rpm stall converter, and 3.23 gears and TTI H pipe with Flow 40s. Before Nitrous it will have the TTI headers.

So do I need to pull the heads and inspect the pistons before using a 75 shot? Any other precautions or inspections prior to use? And is there anything special to consider for the poly as opposed to any other small block?

Thanks,
Joel
 
A 75 shot will be fine. Poly's are as indestructable as the slant six. They are very strong, About 9 to 1 compression and have full floating wrist pins factory stock.The TTI exhaust made a major improvement with my 64 Poly.Remember to install new engine mounts and tranny mount while installing the headers. I had zero issues with any interference of the headers,steering or body.
 

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As a fellow Poly owner, I'll be following your progress. :happy1:

In my `66 Belvedere II, I'm running the original block (.040 over bore), a 650 Edelbrock on top of a 1" phenolic spacer, and a `62 cast iron 4bbl manifold. The heads now have 2.02/ 1.60 valves and some port 'cleaning'. Original cam was re-ground to .462 lift/ .262 Duration and switched to hydraulic lifters. The complete set-up was at the recommendations of Gary Pavlovich. I'm also running the rebuilt 727 with the stock torque converter. I switched out the 2.94s for 3.55s and installed an Auburn unit to eliminate the 'one wheel peel'. I have not put anything on a dyno or taken it down the track, but the seat-of-the-pants feel reminds me of a Duster 340 I once had.

I will be interested to see how you fare with the TTI headers. I had clearance issues at the passenger torsion bar and the power steering pressure hose. I ended up 'flexing' the passenger header with a crow-bar while they were good and warmed up. Also had to swap out the pressure hose connection block on the steering box to a newer one, buy a newer hose, then have the hose end at the pump changed to fit the older pump. This was done to gain clearance between the hose elbow and cylinder tube. Not trying to scare you, just let you know what problems I had to overcome. If you don't have power steering, you should be fine.

I hope you update us with your results when you get it all together.
 
Darter6,
Thanks for the input, good advice about replacing mounts while under there! I'd heard of checking pistons and combustion chamber for signs of detonation prior to using Nitrous. Sounds like that's not needed for the 75 shot.

Dako,
Mine's a 66 Belvedere II as well. Thanks for the heads up on the header figment. I will update as progress is made. I expect to finish this work in about a year... in the planning stages now. I also have a one wheel wonder, and need to do some math before I commit to a final ratio with an auburn.

Joel
 
I think it will be cool to see how your Poly runs with the nitrous shot. I am curious how fast it will go in the 1/4 ? Good luck with it. Ron
 
I assume this is a simple basic under carb plate kit we are talking about ??

I hope you have a good head seal & good set of head gaskets too...

A 75hp N20 shot should be relatively safe, as long as
if you have the needed added extra fuel supply
of 5-7psi flowing 70gph minimum for a smallish 50-75 HP plate kit...
you don't want to go lean ever !!
{flowing & not dead headed is important, you need to learn to tune it off the car flowing 1st}
with a stand alone dedicated appr. sized fuel pump & appr. sized fuel lines
{engine/carb & N20 fuel/gas supply should be 3/8" (line & pick-up) or #6AN min. preferably}
for the N20 system & specific hp that's being added...

& also a stand alone dedicated fuel pressure regulator {bypass style preferably, not mandatory thou}
for the N20 added "gas side needed" of the system & an accurate Fuel pressure gauge inline

& also the proper jetting/settings for the fuel & N20 side of the N20 system is all tuned/matched properly...

But
the 150hp N20 shot is pushing it slightly, especially with cast pistons, rings, bearing, stock rod bolts etc.
{especially if your 100% not sure of what you actually have},
I've seen it done thou, you can run it a little on the fat side, to be a little safer like
example 6psi of fuel pressure "flowing" instead of 5.5 psi etc.,
not kill allot of the extra power, but be a little safer/fater, no on the ragged edge...

A purge or solenoid valve, teed before the N20 solenoid,
to get full pure N20 {not just compressed warm air}
at the N20 solenoid, is a good idea too, purge before activation/run,
or the 1st hit each time, will be fat/rich & slow coming on, not work as well...

I'd suggest you back off the timing about 2*-4* for every about 50-75hp added,
as the N20 is added too activation/button or switch is pushed,
helps to save parts & study up on how & why you tune it etc...

I'd also highly suggest that you get a book
& study up on N20 tuning/applications & or read up on it "allot" before you buy & setup a system

it's not really that tough, not all that unsafe either, if done tuned properly {especially on small kits}
there are other safety stuff you can add like a full throttle switch or a hobb switch etc.
if you have the proper stuff,
spend a little more now, or you'll spend allot more later...

the N20 fuel/gasoline side will seem to fatten/richen up as N20 bottle pressure goes down
{especially as the bottle goes below 900psi}, more gas to N20 %'s
keep the bottle warm & it will stay up-to pressure longer
{N20 is 109* below zero with an oxygenator @ 1200psi, boost/blower in a bottle}
you'll get more consistent hit's out of a bottle that way too,
with a 75hp shot probably/possibly get 3- maybe 5 "full" 1/4 mile hits relatively safely IIRC,
then refill the N20 & carry extra "full" N20 bottle if you plan on using it allot...

good luck
 
I would personally back up a little bit. Meaning, Do you know the previous owner and how the motor was built? I don't think that I would be able to install a motor that was built by someone else without going through it myself. That's just me. I would hate to go through the trouble of putting a car together and find something wrong upon startup.
 
Budnicks,
Very good tutorial and tips. Thanks! I've watched plenty of promods go lean. Didn't think about flowing instead of dead heading fuel supply... definitely need to learn more before installing a system.

Bobtile,
I understand what you're saying and am a bit hesitant to proceed, that's why I started this thread. I've learned that an inspection of the combustion chamber (heads and pistons) for signs of detonation is important. Do you think it's reasonable to perform inspections and spot checks that are short of tearing down the engine? For a 75 shot?

Thanks for the responses!

Joel
 
Budnicks,
Very good tutorial and tips. Thanks! I've watched plenty of promods go lean. Didn't think about flowing instead of dead heading fuel supply... definitely need to learn more before installing a system.

Bobtile,
I understand what you're saying and am a bit hesitant to proceed, that's why I started this thread. I've learned that an inspection of the combustion chamber (heads and pistons) for signs of detonation is important. Do you think it's reasonable to perform inspections and spot checks that are short of tearing down the engine? For a 75 shot?

Thanks for the responses!

Joel

Everyone is going to have a different opinion. I myself would at minimum check bearing clearances and piston ring gaps on the bottom end. But I don't know the person you bought it from. I would check any motor, not just because you plan on nitrous.

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I just caught something you said. Was this motor running?
 
Bobtile,
The motor was running when I bought the car, running very well. Good points, dropping the oil pan isn't too much work.

Thanks Again,

Joel
 
Bobtile,
The motor was running when I bought the car, running very well. Good points, dropping the oil pan isn't too much work.

Thanks Again,

Joel

Ok, I thought it was a new build and hadn't been run. That makes a big difference. In that case, I don't think I would worry about the bottom end. Make sure you have enough fuel and have it tuned correctly and I think a 75 shot would be fine.
 
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