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Decided to convert my 70rr from an auto to a 4 speed

NJRR

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Hi all-

I've owned my 70 RR for about 6 years. It was totally restored by the previous owner. It is an original FC7 car with a matching# 383, but non-matching 727. When the restoration was done, it was also converted to a bucket seat, console shift, with an air-grabber and go wing added. About 2 years ago, I decided I wanted a 4speed. My thought was to sell my current car and buy a 383 or 440 4speed. Well, the reality of the market killed that plan. I couldn't sell my car for enough and then be able to buy a 4 speed in as equal condition for the same money. Plus, I know how solid my car is and who knows what I would be buying, especially long distance. All that being said, I decided to keep the car I know is solid and just convert it to a 4 speed.

For the last 6 months or so, I have been investigating 4 speed options, getting quotes on conversion "packages", prices from local Mopar specialists to do the conversion. I basically concluded that it would cost me around $5k to have someone do it for me with a package conversion kit. That was out of my budget too, so I started looking for the individual pieces to do the conversion. A few weeks ago, I found a brand new Hurst console shifter, handle and all linkage for a pretty good price on Craigslist. This weekend I scored a 4 speed tranny that came out of a 69 Charger for $225 off of Craigs also. I think I can get all the parts I need for under $2k

My plan is to do the conversion myself. My 22 year old son is psyched to do it with me and I figured it will be an awesome father-son project. My plan of action is to rebuild the tranny over the winter while I scour the planet for the rest of the parts I need: bellhousing, flywheel, pedal assembly, z-bar plus frame mounting bracket, 4 speed hump and clutch, which is one part I will buy brand new.

The first thing I plan on doing is cleaning up the trans that I bought. The case has minimal surface rust and is dirty/oily after sitting for years in the garage of the guy I got it from. I was thinking of spraying the whole thing down with brake cleaner to get all the gunk off and then opening the case cover, removing the drain plug and spraying down all the guts with brake cleaner too to remove all the old gear oil and thicker goop in there. Does anyone think the brake cleaner would cause any harm to any of the components? After the gears were all clean and the brake cleaner evaporated, I plan on spraying it with a light coat of WD-40, to prevent any rusting. I want to clean up the case and paint it with some cast-iron paint to give a nice look and protect it.

I know this is a long post and thanks to all who had the patience to read it. I'll post pics and updates as I go along with all steps of my project. It's supposed to be nice out tomorrow (50 degrees), so I plan on cleaning up the tranny with the brake cleaner. If anyone has any tips, feel free to chime in. All help is appreciated and I am sure I will be calling on all the knowledge contained on FBBO (especially welding in the 4 speed hump and z-bar bracket, which is the only thing that gets me nervous!!). Many thanks in advance. Also, if anyone has any leads on the other parts I need, PM me. Also, greatly appreciated. That's it for now.- Abe
 
Yes, it's an A-833. Thanks for the heads up. I've been on the Brewer's site extensively, studying all the different variations of the A-833. Once I clean up the tranny, I'll get all the casting numbers so I know exactly what I have.

This is where im going to be getting my rebuild kit, out of a 69 Charger im assuming its an A-833 4-Speed, there is some useful info here and the kit you'll need to rebuild it..

http://www.brewersperformance.com/orderinfo.htm
 
Hi all-

I've owned my 70 RR for about 6 years. It was totally restored by the previous owner. It is an original FC7 car with a matching# 383, but non-matching 727. When the restoration was done, it was also converted to a bucket seat, console shift, with an air-grabber and go wing added. About 2 years ago, I decided I wanted a 4speed. My thought was to sell my current car and buy a 383 or 440 4speed. Well, the reality of the market killed that plan. I couldn't sell my car for enough and then be able to buy a 4 speed in as equal condition for the same money. Plus, I know how solid my car is and who knows what I would be buying, especially long distance. All that being said, I decided to keep the car I know is solid and just convert it to a 4 speed.

For the last 6 months or so, I have been investigating 4 speed options, getting quotes on conversion "packages", prices from local Mopar specialists to do the conversion. I basically concluded that it would cost me around $5k to have someone do it for me with a package conversion kit. That was out of my budget too, so I started looking for the individual pieces to do the conversion. A few weeks ago, I found a brand new Hurst console shifter, handle and all linkage for a pretty good price on Craigslist. This weekend I scored a 4 speed tranny that came out of a 69 Charger for $225 off of Craigs also. I think I can get all the parts I need for under $2k

My plan is to do the conversion myself. My 22 year old son is psyched to do it with me and I figured it will be an awesome father-son project. My plan of action is to rebuild the tranny over the winter while I scour the planet for the rest of the parts I need: bellhousing, flywheel, pedal assembly, z-bar plus frame mounting bracket, 4 speed hump and clutch, which is one part I will buy brand new.

The first thing I plan on doing is cleaning up the trans that I bought. The case has minimal surface rust and is dirty/oily after sitting for years in the garage of the guy I got it from. I was thinking of spraying the whole thing down with brake cleaner to get all the gunk off and then opening the case cover, removing the drain plug and spraying down all the guts with brake cleaner too to remove all the old gear oil and thicker goop in there. Does anyone think the brake cleaner would cause any harm to any of the components? After the gears were all clean and the brake cleaner evaporated, I plan on spraying it with a light coat of WD-40, to prevent any rusting. I want to clean up the case and paint it with some cast-iron paint to give a nice look and protect it.

I know this is a long post and thanks to all who had the patience to read it. I'll post pics and updates as I go along with all steps of my project. It's supposed to be nice out tomorrow (50 degrees), so I plan on cleaning up the tranny with the brake cleaner. If anyone has any tips, feel free to chime in. All help is appreciated and I am sure I will be calling on all the knowledge contained on FBBO (especially welding in the 4 speed hump and z-bar bracket, which is the only thing that gets me nervous!!). Many thanks in advance. Also, if anyone has any leads on the other parts I need, PM me. Also, greatly appreciated. That's it for now.- Abe
I myself have used kerosene or diesel to wash out the insides of manual tranny's wd-40 after the kerosene the diesel I don't think it would be needed but it wouldn't hurt...
 
I'm looking forward to this thread Abe. One suggestion is to scrape all or as much thick grime and built up gunk off before you use the brake clean or whatever to clean it. It will be a much more controlled mess that way.
 
Good idea, thanks Rufus :) I was going to put cardboard and newspaper to soak up the runoff. I thought brake cleaner would be better than kerosene or diesel, like Chilsam suggested, because it evaporates fast. Disposing of the kero/diesel would be a bigger hassle.


I'm looking forward to this thread Abe. One suggestion is to scrape all or as much thick grime and built up gunk off before you use the brake clean or whatever to clean it. It will be a much more controlled mess that way.
 
Good luck with the project Abe...Be sure to keep us all updated on your progress!!

Mike
 
Tried to clean the outside of the tranny today. 3 cans of engine degreaser and 6 cans of brake cleaner and a wire brush. ALOT of crap and grease came off of it. Still have some work to finish cleaning it before painting the case but at least I can put it up on the workbench without it totally making a mess. Only damage I saw was one bolt snapped off in one of the shifter mount holes. Gonna soak it with PB Blaster for a few days, then drill and extract it. Hopefully the threads will not be damaged. The gears and synchros inside the case are in excellent shape and weren't even that dirty. I sprayed them down with brake cleaner to get any solidified old lubricant off and then with WD-40 to protect from rust till I can order the rebuild kit. Any opinions on where to get the rebuild kit? Brewer's looks pretty complete. Are the gaskets that come in their kit the best to use? Also, any suggestions on what specialty tools I will need to reassemble the gears?

Here are some pics. Looks like its a 23 spline, 1969, from a Coronet/Charger (WM21H9A), 69 tailshaft housing with 307 bearing (C-99127). All in all, I'm pretty happy with it.

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Personal choice, good luck and have fun. I sold my 18 spline a833 to a guy in Australia. If going to a stick, I would research one of the 5 speed offerings - gears for the road. Otherwise, there are times I would prefer an automatic. Don't know much about your car but there are a ton of other things to spend time and money on like suspension, steering and creature comforts to drive and enjoy the car. Depends what you intend to use it for.
 
Looks like you spent a productive few hours there NJRR. Nice and clean for an old tranny. Now for the wire brush to finish it up for painting once you are done with the rebuild and have it buttoned up.
 
I hear ya Dennis. I looked into the 5 speed trannies. The factors that swayed me to using an a833 was cost, availability of parts and available information to guide me through the conversion myself. The 5th gear wasn't that critical. I do mostly local driving, local shows and the farthest I go is about 2 hours away during the summers. Plus, you just don't get the same feeling in an automatic that you do banging through gears !!!!! :headbang:


Personal choice, good luck and have fun. I sold my 18 spline a833 to a guy in Australia. If going to a stick, I would research one of the 5 speed offerings - gears for the road. Otherwise, there are times I would prefer an automatic. Don't know much about your car but there are a ton of other things to spend time and money on like suspension, steering and creature comforts to drive and enjoy the car. Depends what you intend to use it for.
 
Make sure your crankshaft is drilled for the pilot bushing before you start installing everything. I would love to do this conversion too but I have so many other things to fix up on my car. Good luck!
 
Try to use an hydraulic clutch set-up and a diaphragm pressure plate. You'll love it!
 
Yeah, that is one thing I won't be able to check till I drop the 727. Keeping my fingers crossed. What part of Jersey you from Slinkt? I'm in North Jersey, Bergen County.

Make sure your crankshaft is drilled for the pilot bushing before you start installing everything. I would love to do this conversion too but I have so many other things to fix up on my car. Good luck!

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Unfortunately, I don't think the hydraulic will fit into my budget. Gonna have to keep it stock.

Try to use an hydraulic clutch set-up and a diaphragm pressure plate. You'll love it!
 
Yeah, that is one thing I won't be able to check till I drop the 727. Keeping my fingers crossed. What part of Jersey you from Slinkt? I'm in North Jersey, Bergen County.

Yep I'm in Bergen County too. My 727 shifts great and has a higher stall converter which has kept me entertained, so I've put the 4 speed conversion idea on the back burner. I worked on the car for a year to get it on the road and have been just enjoying actually driving it! Still looking at paint, wheels, and suspension as my next upgrades. I dont really want to cut my car but a 4 speed is just too nice to forget about completely. The 71 cuda 383 motor I transplanted was out of a manual car, so it's all set for an A-833. One day..
 
I plan on rebuilding it over the winter. After I sprayed it (more like soaked it), I put the case cover back on and bolted it down, then wrapped the whole tranny in plastic to protect from any moisture. Not too worried as it's in a very dry garage, but thanks for the heads up. If I run into a long delay, I will def respray it with something more substantial.


That tranny looks like it's in good shape. How long will it sit before you put oil in it? I wouldn't spray it with WD-40, it'll evaporate after awhile too. Put something more substantial on it like an aerosol grease.
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Unfortunately, I don't think the hydraulic will fit into my budget. Gonna have to keep it stock.

I don't know how big your fabrication skills are but it should be fairly easy to make your own hydraulic setup - and cheaper than the factory setup too! I plan on doing the same with my conversion.
You wouldn't need to spend any money on the Z-bar, Z-bar bracket, Z-Bar overhaul kit, clutch rod...
You can get a clutch master and slave for 50 bucks or less. You just need a bracket for the slave and the master, a reinforcement plate for the firewall, a short piece of brake line and that's pretty much it.
 
Update: Still sourcing parts, waiting for the pedal set I bought from a fellow FBBO member, should get it by Monday according to the tracking.

Trying to decide on the 833 rebuild. My brother, who owned a transmission shop for 5 years, is suggesting I might not want to totally rebuild the gearset if the synchros and gears are in excellent condition, which I think they are. He said that if it is shifting smooth now, not to mess with it since it is an intricate reassembly and just change seals and bearings. So, he has placed some doubt in my mind. Is his suggestion sensible? Anybody have any thoughts on the skill level needed to totally disassemble and reassemble an 833? The last thing I want to do is screw it up and grind the gears and synchros up. Another option is I found a relatively local Mopar specialist who will rebuild the trans including blasting and painting the case for $500 (which includes the $100+ rebuild kit). Is it critical having someone with experience do it? All opinions are welcome. Thanks gents.
 
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