"Worthy" of restoration, but the seller needs to find the misplaced fender tag. He should be looking for the broadcast sheet too.
No, I did not call him.
No, I did not call him.
FOR SALE-NOT MINE: 1972 Roadrunner GTX Track Pak 440 HP 4spd Dana 60 Only 219 Built Rare - $25,900 (Scottsdale)
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Runcharger
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Darn shame about the tag and sheet and that will slow down it's value after restoration. Because of the metal condition you could photo document the car to prove it's credentials down the road but it just isn't the same.
People claim these cars mean so much to them and they're so desirable, just not desirable enough to save a stupid tag or sheet though, half the time these idiots even lose the title/registration so I guess the cars don't really mean much to them at all.
People claim these cars mean so much to them and they're so desirable, just not desirable enough to save a stupid tag or sheet though, half the time these idiots even lose the title/registration so I guess the cars don't really mean much to them at all.
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When I've sold numbers matching cars to qualified buyers, I've found that people who can afford them, as well as desire them, are extremely concerned about things like fender tags, broadcast sheets, and clear titles. I was the same way when buying. The lack of a fender tag is probably not helping the sale.
No, I was talking me, not you. And I don't need you telling me what I would do.
$15K for a mint 71-72 Satellite with all the trimmings? I don't know what alternate universe you live in, but you're not from around here.
90% or more of the project cars that cross the block, the original owner lost money.
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Not in the car budget! I already have a '70 Charger 500, 383 Magnum, 4 speed; and power windows.Whaddya waitin fer??
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Ya, I'd MUCH rather have that. lol
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This thread has turned into a picture of the modern day.
This is a hobby, these old cars, people say.
Except, it's not a hobby, it's an investment, others say.
Some lean more toward one then the other. In my opinion, this was always a hobby, right up until the 90's retirement group started blowing 6 figures on their nostalgia driven highschool hot rods. Suddenly, if you had one of those in a field, it had overnight turned into a goldmine. Which for the money driven segment of our society meant an opportunity: an investment. And we have never gone back have we?
When I was young, old guys fixing up those pre war V16 caddy's and stuff like that, you could ask them straight up and they would tell you no way were they coming out ahead on those. They didn;t care, that's not why they did it.
It's funny in a way, I can;t think of a lot of hobbies that are gone into with the requirement it turns a profit. How many people building model kits think they will make a profit? A few things like baseball cards have done the same as old cars, it has turned into a financial system, but no 8 year old buying cards for the gum back yesteryear thought they should keep the cards because it was like money in the bank. So it isn't unprecedented to have older items deemed "collectible" to go this way.
But people should NOT disparage the ones doing stuff for a hobby. It is important to be honest about value, but it is also a bit of a cancer on the hobby that poeple push SO HARD on price, that everything has to both be a goldmine and a smokin deal.
Look how big the thread got over one car for sale. People keep using money as the excuse not to go after it. I have no money, not for a car of this vintage, or I would buy it in a heartbeat, it is awesome. I think a lot of people, deep down, think about the end result and the fun to be had and want to do it too, but then this whole "I will lose money" thing pops up. FOR A HOBBY.
If you can;t stomach losing a dollar, spent on FUN, then you are not in this as a hobby. You are in this as an investment that you happen to like. Same as baseball cards! You like talking cars with guys, like learning the details, but ultimately you want to make sure you don;t lose a nickle and that is more important.
that's fine, this is the USA. Calling someone a fool for the idea of not coming out on top on a car they really like is not particularly polite though. Not everyone is going to look at this and pull out a notebook to do accounting on. The seller has, I think, tried to find the sweet spot between "someone will love this" and "I need to cash in" but can;t satisfy both sides.
This is a hobby, these old cars, people say.
Except, it's not a hobby, it's an investment, others say.
Some lean more toward one then the other. In my opinion, this was always a hobby, right up until the 90's retirement group started blowing 6 figures on their nostalgia driven highschool hot rods. Suddenly, if you had one of those in a field, it had overnight turned into a goldmine. Which for the money driven segment of our society meant an opportunity: an investment. And we have never gone back have we?
When I was young, old guys fixing up those pre war V16 caddy's and stuff like that, you could ask them straight up and they would tell you no way were they coming out ahead on those. They didn;t care, that's not why they did it.
It's funny in a way, I can;t think of a lot of hobbies that are gone into with the requirement it turns a profit. How many people building model kits think they will make a profit? A few things like baseball cards have done the same as old cars, it has turned into a financial system, but no 8 year old buying cards for the gum back yesteryear thought they should keep the cards because it was like money in the bank. So it isn't unprecedented to have older items deemed "collectible" to go this way.
But people should NOT disparage the ones doing stuff for a hobby. It is important to be honest about value, but it is also a bit of a cancer on the hobby that poeple push SO HARD on price, that everything has to both be a goldmine and a smokin deal.
Look how big the thread got over one car for sale. People keep using money as the excuse not to go after it. I have no money, not for a car of this vintage, or I would buy it in a heartbeat, it is awesome. I think a lot of people, deep down, think about the end result and the fun to be had and want to do it too, but then this whole "I will lose money" thing pops up. FOR A HOBBY.
If you can;t stomach losing a dollar, spent on FUN, then you are not in this as a hobby. You are in this as an investment that you happen to like. Same as baseball cards! You like talking cars with guys, like learning the details, but ultimately you want to make sure you don;t lose a nickle and that is more important.
that's fine, this is the USA. Calling someone a fool for the idea of not coming out on top on a car they really like is not particularly polite though. Not everyone is going to look at this and pull out a notebook to do accounting on. The seller has, I think, tried to find the sweet spot between "someone will love this" and "I need to cash in" but can;t satisfy both sides.
Might as well post all 23 pictures. You know, for posterity
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I found a different engine bay picture from an old Barn Finds posting.
The cowl area looks odd to me. Maybe a seal is missing?
What is that small "silverish" device mounted to the driver's side inner fender well? It appears to have a wire running over to the coil.
I don't see any evidence of it having a windshield washer. Maybe the hoses and tank have been removed.
Picture came from:
1972 Plymouth Road Runner GTX Engine
Also, a slightly different picture of the interior from the same old BF ad:
Looks comfy!
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I agree with you up to a point. When I got into this hobby 45 + years ago, used and new parts for these old cars were readily available, making them easier to restore. That is not the case today and as such, we pay through the nose for used and repro parts. If someone wants to spend /6 large and dump another 50-70 into it, that’s their perogative, but if the car has in fact been for sale for over a year, that alone is telling.
It was a lot less of a financial loss in the late 70’s to have 6 grand into a 4,000 dollar car than it is to have 75+ grand into a 56,000 dollar car today.
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I get your point, but I can think of a lot of things $2000 would buy in the 70's that $25k won't buy today, unrelated to cars. But I get the sentiment. I just think sometimes people lose sight of gearheads, burnouts, doing this for fun and not giving a damn about the payback. People spend money on casinos, sports, skiing, you name it, with no thought of return. There is still that segment of people out there for cars too.
The "financial sector" hasn't tried to absorb the rat rod scene, or into more recent eras like 90's sports cars, but they are working on it. Japanese cars from the 90's are blowing up, G body CM from the 80's are now "collectible" and a few odds and ends that people are speculating on. I predict it won;t be much longer before Vipers explode in price and start showing up at Mecum regularly, as an example. The financial side is always looking for an angle. It just pushes whatever they latch onto out of reach for the fun seekers usually.
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Not surprised!
I don't watch much Mecum, the guys announcing the broadcasts are so obnoxious, ignorant many times and I feel like the cameramen all have ADD.
I shoulda taken a loan and picked up the '96 that was for sale about two hours from me last summer for $34k. Won't be long till they are $80-100k and scurried off to a climate controlled storage. I just wanted to do some rip roarin burnouts and let the tiny town residents where I live come gawk(and touch, and lets kids sit in it) during spring car show. Ah well, I have a mortgage yet, slightly more important for my family
Very well spoken. The center piece of this thread should be about a rare and neat car.
A group of certain people that like these will find it enjoyable and entertaining .
And then another group ,that would never be interested in a car like this, find themselves being drawn in to make disparaging comments . The "why?" Part is baffling. Deep rooted psychological reasons is my best guess.
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most people in this hobby are significantly under water..... it's only money
like stated above; people blow money on all kinds of stuff
like stated above; people blow money on all kinds of stuff
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The thing is we honestly don't enjoy these cars the same way we did in 1985. Kind of why I sold a Hemi Challenger 8 years ago and used that money to buy my Viper. Now I've probably lost $50k or more but I've driven the Viper way more and actually enjoyed it more. My wife likes the working A/C, I don't have to tend to oil leaks and I can drive it 500 miles for about half the gas cost.
Like I said above I buy what I like. Lots of people buy what someone else will want to buy in the future. Life is too short to buy something that someone else likes IMO. Myself, I most likely wouldn't buy a 68 Charger, but I would buy this 72. I hope it finds a good home.
Like I said above I buy what I like. Lots of people buy what someone else will want to buy in the future. Life is too short to buy something that someone else likes IMO. Myself, I most likely wouldn't buy a 68 Charger, but I would buy this 72. I hope it finds a good home.
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