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GYC Needs Some New Social Media People

Bruzilla

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I don't know how many of you are on Facebook, or follow Graveyard Carz on there, but whoever Worman has running their page needs to be fired. They recently posted a bit about why a 'Cuda was one of the best muscle cars ever, and I, and many others, pointed out that they should know better than anyone that a 'Cuda is a Pony car and not a Muscle car.

And now twice they have misidentified Challengers as Chargers, most recently with a posting about a new police-package Challenger with the title "Why You Don't Want to Run From This Charger". Needless to say, the comments were coming in fast on that one!

I don't know who's working the keyboard out there, but they need to go.
 
It's all the links they post to some half-assed crappy website called "carbuzz" or some such. Drives me crazy. Lazy hosting if you ask me.
 
They recently posted a bit about why a 'Cuda was one of the best muscle cars ever, and I, and many others, pointed out that they should know better than anyone that a 'Cuda is a Pony car and not a Muscle car.

Why is a Cuda not considered a Muscle Car? The accepted definition of a Muscle Car is "any of a group of American-made 2-door sports coupes with powerful engines designed for high-performance driving." I would say the Cuda definitely falls into that category as well.
 
It's all the links they post to some half-assed crappy website called "carbuzz" or some such. Drives me crazy. Lazy hosting if you ask me.

Gas Monkey Garage is doing the same thing.

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Why is a Cuda not considered a Muscle Car? The accepted definition of a Muscle Car is "any of a group of American-made 2-door sports coupes with powerful engines designed for high-performance driving." I would say the Cuda definitely falls into that category as well.

That's the "accepted" definition now, mainly championed by guys with Pony and Sports cars. :) Here's some history from Jack Smith, creator of the Roadrunner...

"Muscle cars came out of the youthful exuberance that followed World War II. Many people who came back from military assignments had a lot of experience in motor pools. They were accustomed to working on vehicles and doing things to improve them. It was from this experience that street rods were born and a culture of performance was built up.

This culture was recognized by a guy named Jim Wangers, the account executive for the advertising agency that handled Pontiac’s LeMans. He foresaw the possible success of a muscle car, a performance car in the mid-sized category, and prevailed upon a sufficient number of people at Pontiac to give it a shot, and the GTO was born in 1964."

Chrysler eventually copied them, but before they could do so, Chrysler had to create a plan aimed specifically at the mid-sized market. At the time, the Plymouth product planning group was split into two sub-groups. One group did the Furys together with the mid-sized cars, with the latter a sort of second thought. The other group did the compact and the pony cars. The mid-sized cars just didn’t have a home. That was corrected in 1965 when Plymouth created an office for mid-sized car planning. At the same time the company set up a similar office over in the Dodge camp."


A bodies, like the Valiant and Barracuda, were initially classified as Compact cars. Back then you had Sub-Compact, Sports, Compact, Mid-Size/Intermediate, and Full-Size. Then along came Ford with the Mustang, which set a new trend for Compacts with the long front-deck/short rear-deck look, which coined the new term Pony cars, which is why Smith says a group was dedicated to Compacts and Pony cars as they shared a lot of components.

Just as all the mid-size/intermediate performance coupes were called Muscle cars, all the long front-deck/short rear-deck Compact Mustang clones were referred to as Pony cars. These included the Mustangs, Cougars, 70-74 E bodies, Camaros, Firebirds, Trans Ams, AMX, etc.

Another differentiation is that Ford designed the Mustang to compete not with intermediate/mid-size cars but with Sports cars. That's why they got Caroll Shelby and others to work on getting Mustangs sanctioned for competition in sports car events, and the other makers followed suit. That's why the Mustang race packages were all SCCA-approved and other Pony cars were designed for sports car events such as AAR, Trans Am (which is what the T/A in Challenger T/A stands for), Can Am, etc. Muscle cars were all designed for sanctioning by NHRA and NASCAR.

You go back to the 60s and 70s, you find the Pony car folks wanted nothing to do with the Muscle car crowd. Pony cars were defacto Sports cars with light weight, great speed, and handling. Muscle cars were fast but had no handling and were good for nothing but big ovals and straight lines. Nothing pissed off Pony car guys more than calling their cars Muscle cars. Now jump ahead to today, and the term Pony sounds girly and Sports sounds too Euro-trashy, and now all the Pony and Sports car guys want to glum onto the Muscle name because it sounds cool and the Muscle car market is hot. But they can't rewrite history. :)
 
Honestly, the whole pony car muscle car thing is the least of the gyc social media problem. They will post a link to a video of a 318 with open exhaust and say its the meanest thing to ever consume fossil fuels. Just the other day i thought to myself these guys are just about ruining mopar for me. Not really, but damn.
 
My Hemmings MUSCLE MACHINE magazine has mid and small cars in it. I think Pony, GT, Mid-Size 2+2 is putting too fine of a point on it. I even have a Muscle Bike from the 60's. My Challenger has an awfully large back seat and trunk.
 
Like I wrote, there has been a sustained effort to reinvent Muscle car history going on for about 20 years now. I just saw Wayne Carini on an episode of Chasing Classic Cars trying to pass one of his beloved Euro sports cars as a Muscle car. Not even close Wayne! I also saw one of the Hot Rod shows trying to make the BS story that a muscle car was any car with a high-performance engine. Sorry, not true.

A Muscle car is a mid-size/intermediate car with high-performance options. A Pony car is a long front-deck/short-rear deck Compact car. And a Sports car is a two-seat performance car. Always have been, always will be. :)

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My Hemmings MUSCLE MACHINE magazine has mid and small cars in it. I think Pony, GT, Mid-Size 2+2 is putting too fine of a point on it. I even have a Muscle Bike from the 60's. My Challenger has an awfully large back seat and trunk.

A Duster or Demon is bigger than your Challenger, and these were classified as Compact cars when they were new, even though they are as big as a lot of fullsize cars today.
 
Honestly, the whole pony car muscle car thing is the least of the gyc social media problem. They will post a link to a video of a 318 with open exhaust and say its the meanest thing to ever consume fossil fuels. Just the other day i thought to myself these guys are just about ruining mopar for me. Not really, but damn.

I have to agree and I own a 318.... my car is the same body style as the GTX... but its not a GTX! In fact as soon as I posted it many of you recommended I destruct this VERY Original car to make it a 440 .... hell I love the idea. But I'd rather use a car that has lost its original engine to make a hot rod NOT mess up the originality of the "She Beast". I wanted to at first...but I've changed my mind. I'm okay with that .....HOWEVER the subject of pony cars vs muscle cars, guns, airplanes, yard tools, houses, favorite sports team or players, girlfriends, wives (well maybe not) and ANY other subject guys are guys. Its a competition! I bought my wife a 22...the gun guys gave me crap for buying it. "All that's gonna do is make somebody mad.....she needs a 357 or AR"..or what EVER. Fact is what ever I have is more powerful, bigger, cost less, gotta better deal, etc...... than YOURS!

For me I would own a Cuda and we can label it a pony car or a muscle car... ONLY IF IT HAS A 440 in it. And THEN the next guy that has gone into "HIS" 440 and built it faster more torque is now all the sudden better than mine and we can go on and on. The likes of Azz Monkey have really turned our hobby into "just a business" and in fact they chased my 68 and told the owner I didnt have the money and I would likely NOT travel from Houston to Dallas to buy it. Somebody please tell me how they know if I have the money or not or was willing???? I guess they know NOW...huh!

its like the bumper stickers "my kid is an honor student in blah blah blah school"

I want to make a bumper sticker that says "my kid is an average C student in blah blah blah school" LOL!!! (fact is she is an honor student and NEVER studies)

Somebody somewhere is gonna distort the truth about classics....PERIOD.
 
Honestly I can't watch GYC. The way that Mike Worman (sp?) acts just irritates the hell out of me. It's a shame too, because he drops a lot of good mopar knowledge here and there. How someone can treat people like he does and still have a business is beyond me. I will take an unassuming show with good tech tips like Wheeler Dealers or Roadkill any day of the week/month/year.
 
Was there about three weeks ago. Some neat cars coming this season ! And best of all, NO DARREN !
 
What FB pages do you run and maintain for the public's entertainment? Got links?
 
Cudas are most certainly muscle cars. They are pony car styled, but muscle cars. So... is a convertible road runner not a muscle car because it s a convertible.
 
I just wanted to know if Bru has a public page of his own? if so share the link.that goes for anyone here share your page.
 
Yeah.... I like what Mark Worman is doing with the cars. But I don't like his attitude. I'm 17, and in my senior year of high school. My dream is to restore mopars, but people like him make me reconsider my life goals. He's a complete suck-up. If a customer of his "knows" what he is talking about-- mark agrees with him-. But if a worker of his makes a tiny mistake, they get their butts whooped! Personally, I don't care if an old mopar has 2 doors, 4 doors, a slant 6, or a hemi. I just appreciate that somebody keeps an effort to keep them on the road. Original or not.
 
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