How Toyota Dethroned GM as the Number One Automaker in the United States

[Photon440]

Other/more data. Maybe it needs to be updated.
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https://www.statista.com/statistics/264362/leading-car-brands-in-the-us-based-on-vehicle-sales/#:~:text=In 2021, Toyota overtook Ford,1.8 million vehicles in 2020.

So if that chart is correct then General Motors, when you combine GMC and Chevrolet already totals 1,969,589 vehicles. When you add in Cadillac and Buick, they sold 2,218,228 so they were close. That chart doesn't show Lexus which probably makes up the rest of Toyota sales.

 

[WileERobby]

The " I had this make/model car/truck for X years and X miles, and it's a great vehicle, so all of them are great" mentality is BS. If that's the case, Chevrolet makes the best vehicles on the planet based on my experience with one. And Ford makes the longest-lasting vehicles based on one I had that ran like a clock over 300k miles & going strong when I gave it away.

 

[Slap Stick]

Toyota still builds and sells CARS. GM wants to sell only TRUCKS.
The problems with the cylinder management systems in GM V8s have been around since 2007 and they haven't fixed it yet they continue to use it. They even renamed it rather than fix it or do away with it.
Need a car to transport PEOPLE? GM, Ford and to an extent Stellantis-not Chrysler, it doesn't exist- don't make cars. They gave that market away to the Japanese and Korean automakers.

 

[YY1]

...but if you count "SUV"s as "station wagons", like I do.....

 

[70bigblockdodge]

GM wants to sell only TRUCKS

And have you seen the latest generation of Chevy trucks? Uuuuugly. Would not be caught driving one. Buicks always had something cool in there lineup. Not now, you get a little lump, a medium lump or a large lump.
Then back to Chevy SUV they decided to revive a name from the past. Following Ford's reintroduction of the Bronco (resembles the cool first gen not the OJ style) GMs answer " take the medium lump and put Blazer badging on it" talk about absolutely no effort at all.
I have not even touched on engineering or reliability. Only thing I will say in that regard is if someone wants to sell you a newer GM small SUV with a 4 cylinder, run don't walk away, because it's a ticking the bomb with who knows how much time left.
I would not buy a Toyota because that is way to much$$$ for a appliance. If I'm spending that much money it better talk to me.
I also walk to work so that commuting does not factor in.

 

[joe smith]

I maintain that the reputation earned by US automakers during the late 70's through the early 90's is still the main reason most people perceive Japanese and other foreign cars as "better".

Your the closest on here so far... But what got the Japan cars into Mainstream America were the gas shortages during 74 and 77.... People panicked at the .60 price per gallon of gas, and fuel efficient Pinto's or Vega's did not work...
Honda's were a year waiting list... Still not sure why, I went in some friends and drove a new one at the dealers as my EX wife wanted one.... I thought and still think they are a boxy little turd car......

 

[tonysrt]

Well now that the price of gas is through the roof lets see how many more big *** Suburbans and Expeditions they'll sell. Hopefully this gas crisis will slow down the driving because here in NY traffic is a nightmare almost 24 hours a day. I love seeing the women driving those Suburbans. Back in 1980 I had to order my Civic and had to wait almost 6 months to get it. Best car I ever owned with 205,000 miles and stolen twice. Don't these politicians think this gas crisis is a major problem with everything.

 

[joe smith]

Well now that the price of gas is through the roof lets see how many more big *** Suburbans and Expeditions they'll sell. Hopefully this gas crisis will slow down the driving because here in NY traffic is a nightmare almost 24 hours a day. I love seeing the women driving those Suburbans. Back in 1980 I had to order my Civic and had to wait almost 6 months to get it. Best car I ever owned with 205,000 miles and stolen twice. Don't these politicians think this gas crisis is a major problem with everything.

In my opinion, traffic is a nightmare everywhere.... I don't understand what people think when you have MORE people moving in to your area or MORE people in the United States, you have MORE people on the road....
You should see the gridlock in Florida.... Many of my friends, who are native Floridians, are leaving ONLY because of how crowded the roads are....

 

[RT6PK]

I have owned, or worked on countless cars from GM, Mopar, Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Subaru, Mazda, Volkswagen, and Kia. I have had infinitely better luck with Japanese and Korean cars over American cars.

Although American car quality has improved since the "late 70's to early 90's", (they really had no where to go but up), the quality of Japanese cars has also improved. Japanese cars are "perceived better" for a reason.... they are better.

 

[Budnicks]

Toyota fortunately if you own one
& are Pro-American/America 1st, made here
fewer products/parts are used that come from outside the US
than the big 3, either/all of Ford, Govt. Motors, Stellantis/CDRJ
(yes Toyota mothership/company is in Japan, product sold here is built & produced here)
It's more 'American-made', than all the 'American-owned' auto companies...

Of all the Japanese owned companies,
I'd & have own/ed a Toyota over any of the others...

Had great luck with them...

I haven't owned one for 23 years now,
since I bought my 99 Dakota SLT 4x4 V8, "love that lil' truck"
I sold my 97 Buick LeSabre Limited/loaded, I inherited from my Granddad
12k miles, & sold my 85 Toyota SR5 4x4 22R (EFI 1st year) on it's 2nd engine
(1st 389k miles) trans & rear end more than 500,000 miles in total,
both my girls/twins drove thru school & I used when I had to leave it
in extended stay Airport parking lots or haul garbage to the dumps etc...
A great lil' truck, I owned for 14 years, sold it for $3,500 (could have got more)
I combined the 2 sells
& I bought my Dakota 1,900 miles 'Owners dealer demo'/new 7/70 warranty
& I also currently own a 02 F-350 4x4 PS 5 speed Diesel Dually, since new too
I wouldn't recommend to anyone...
yes it serves 'it's purpose' as a tow rig, but it's costly to own...

(I owned a 98 Dakota R/T prior, bought new in Nov. 97, great truck too)

I wouldn't hesitate to buy another Toyota,
if I couldn't find a Dodge/Ram or Jeep to my likings...

My girls all love 4x4s, 2 of the 3 own Toyota Tacomas 4x4s
their husbands all drive Rams...

 

[super-bee_ski]

Hyundai and KIA
10 year or 100,000 warranty
Best in Customer Satisfaction

 

[joe smith]

Toyota fortunately if you own one
& are Pro-American/America 1st,

there are NO Asian companies that consider America first.....

 

[Slap Stick]

...but if you count "SUV"s as "station wagons", like I do.....

Try getting a disabled or elderly person into one of those "station wagons". They can get into vehicles that are at their level. Those "station wagons" sit too high for them to climb into.

 

[BeepBeepRR]

Hyundai and KIA
10 year or 100,000 warranty
Best in Customer Satisfaction

Kia if the engine doesn’t cease up are decent cars for the money. Some times they just burst into flames too.

 

[WileERobby]

You should see the gridlock in Florida.... Many of my friends, who are native Floridians, are leaving ONLY because of how crowded the roads are....

And I thought it was because of all the new yorkers moving down there !

 

[Photon440]

Kia if the engine doesn’t cease up are decent cars for the money. Some times they just burst into flames too.

I've seem reports of the engine problems, and wondered why. The 2.0 Turbo and 2.4 Theta engines are pretty much the same as Chrysler's 2.4 - they, along with Mitsubishi all worked on the design together as a 'World Engine'. And although Chrysler has since bought out the other two companies' share in the engine, Mitsubishi and Hyundai/Kia still have the rights to manufacture them. I haven't seen the same reliability complaints for Chrysler 2.4 powered vehicles.

 

[tonysrt]

A fellow I worked with up here in NY moved to Naples FL. and I just spoke to him last week and he also complained about the traffic down there. Here on Long Island they did away with Shoreham, nuclear power plant, because they said if an accident occurred there no getting off the Island. just try getting off at any time and you'll be going nowhere fast. The problem is every vacant lot has been developed either into multi unit condo's or million dollar homes. Last night at 8:30 PM took me 1 1/2 hours to go 50 miles, so frustrating.

 

[3sloppydogs]

I had two new chebbie trucks in the past. I paid dear for them and they both were huge POS I will never own another. If I won one or was given one I would sell it immediately. I'll buy another Ram or a Ford any day.
Having said that we just gave our Toyota highlander hybrid to our oldest son. It has 200k miles and run as well now as it did new. The doors are just as solid when they close, no air leaks, no water leaks, uses no oil between service
I'll never see a gm product do that

 

[joe smith]

And I thought it was because of all the new yorkers moving down there !

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