How would you get a Vin

[ma mopar nutz]

These shells have been out for years so someone must be buying them !!

 

[smb03]

its illegal to do vin swaps from one car to the other, but if a new supplied body that has never had a vin before was used to replace an old rotted out one. that is not illegal. all you are doing is a mass panel replacement. one vin is not being scrapped to replace another. same vin, with a panel replacements. when i need a title i never go to the dmv, i just text the vin# to my guy and paypal him $250. boom...clean clear title in my name 2 months later in the mailbox. dmv is just a big hassle

 

[eldubb440]

lmao............. you can buy a pile of parts from amd and weld them together; and attach them to what is left of your rust bucket......... just dont buy them already welded together?........ holy technicality Batman!

 

[mopar 3 B]

Then without any DMV involvement you attach the tag of the donor car with what illegal rivits? You better have more than one build stamp on the car that are the same and not always the same as the vin tag number. As stated before have all your ducks in a row before going to the DMV or you could possibly find yourself standing in deep sh** with no car in the end. These laws were established to keep people from stealing our vehicle. and scraping them and now you are trying to tell this guy to do what! I am all for keeping our cars from the hands of scrapers but do you want to buy one of these forged vehicals and then find out it was built from stolen parts.

 

[Lionized]

http://www.ecsautomotive.com/productdesc.php?co=c&id=62

 

[mopar 3 B]

Yep and now you can buy illegal to buy, own or install your self rivites and id tages. You had better check on the fines and jail time before you do that one. Big federal offence.

 

[eldubb440]

the vin attaches to the dash frame, which bolts into the car.........

I have a good friend with a e body, owned it since early 80s. the car was obviously wrecked early on, smashed hard high on the hinge pillar. The dash frame was replaced as the vin tag is attached with ordinary rivets. The vin matches the body stampings

Not really trying to make a point, just citing an example of a repaired car with a re-attached vin.......it happens

 

[Lionized]

Yep and now you can buy illegal to buy, own or install your self rivites and id tages. You had better check on the fines and jail time before you do that one. Big federal offence.

Really? For example: let's say I've owned this one of one 1970 Hemi Challenger R/T for years, although it's wrecked and rusted beyond repair. I have the title, broadcast sheet, fender tag and all other necessary paperwork involved with registering this car in my name. This car is rusted beyond belief but I did manage to salvage the dash VIN...(and above mentioned documentation).

Should I purchase one of these new bodies and resurrect this amazing vehicle...which would be completely legal because I'm NOT STAMPING A NEW VIN NUMBER?

 

[mopar 3 B]

Really? For example: let's say I've owned this one of one 1970 Hemi Challenger R/T for years, although it's wrecked and rusted beyond repair. I have the title, broadcast sheet, fender tag and all other necessary paperwork involved with registering this car in my name. This car is rusted beyond belief but I did manage to salvage the dash VIN...(and above mentioned documentation).

Should I purchase one of these new bodies and resurrect this amazing vehicle...which would be completely legal because I'm NOT STAMPING A NEW VIN NUMBER?[/QUOTE
The legality is not the documentation of the original vehicle which you already own but with the new body you are wanting to put that documenting on. Yes there maybe a legal way to do it in your state. That does not mean you just go due it without goning through prpler proceedure because the paper work to do it legally is a big hassel. Just where are you buying new Mopar muscle car body's at by the way when most of us are struggling to just find after market stampings?

 

[Lionized]

The legality is not the documentation of the original vehicle which you already own but with the new body you are wanting to put that documenting on. Yes there maybe a legal way to do it in your state. That does not mean you just go due it without goning through prpler proceedure because the paper work to do it legally is a big hassel. Just where are you buying new Mopar muscle car body's at by the way when most of us are struggling to just find after market stampings?

New body, you mean like the one's available from classic if you follow the link in the first post?

http://www.classicindustries.com/product/mopar/parts/me175918.html

Yes, following up with your local DMV would be prudent but I hardly see an issue since you're not duplicating anything.

 

[mopar 3 B]

Had no idea a shell was even available, but it is out of stock so it is not available.
The reason I am being so stuck on documentation is one of the boys years ago bought a car with the correct vin and a good title and notarized bill of sale. Them got in a big hurry with body work before the title was transferred. Needless to say the body shop doing his work installed an undocumented rear quarter panel and then closed shop with a big hole on the other side of the car where he had removed the other quarter and then could not find a replacement. The car came back home where the city demanded it be plated or removed. This is where the next problem begins the state DMV would not pass the inspection because we could not verify the origin of the replacement panel. So in short do what you want but with out the correct paper trail somewhere do the road someone could get nailed to the wall believing he had an original vehicle.

 

[smb03]

if you are not creating a vin (fake hemi or 6 pack) there is no issue, body swaps are common and nothing wrong with that, in this case you wouldnt even be doing that, you are just doing a mass panel replacement, if you buy new panels that normally carry body vins on them to replace rusted ones, its the same thing...just alot more of it. or if you are just sacrificing a base model car to keep a more desired car alive thats fine too. i would rather see a hemi car being used, we all know the bodies are the same the only major difference is numbers

 

[GetX'd]

If we keep kicking this horse it just might get up and start running.......

 

[Icecobra]

It is real simple from the Governments position, since 1968. The Vin is stamped in several locations and if any one of those does not have proper stamping then it is considered tampered with vin number. Its not a grey area and that's why in California you go get a new vin assigned to the old one and you have a blue plate special. This is of course a hassle and requires paper work, inspections etc. However if you tamper with a Vin number it is a felony. Most recently we had a guy advertising on Craigslist he sold a vin number off a shell he had of course the title and everything. The local auto theft task force jumped on that and arrested him, as part of a plea agreement they then arrested the guy that bought the vin. You have to ask yourself if it is worth it..... The federal bureau crates assigned the firewall being damaged to the point a Vin was damaged as a total loss if two of the 3 vin locations were or would have to be removed... So lacking two of the 3 means you don't have a car and have to start over as a salvaged title...

 

[smb03]

if i replace rusted panels that had vin stamps on them, what then...ive done panel replacements and pointed out to dmv these were replaced, they didnt give 2 shits...all they cared was that the vin tag wasnt stolen and bamm...gave me a title

 

[patrick66]

The easiest and LEGAL way to build this is with a State-assigned VIN, period. It, in most states, would be considered a "kit car", "hot rod", "self-built car" or any of several other descriptions to indicate the owner built the car. Transferring numbers from one car to another, regardless of the reeasons/justifications given, is illegal. No two ways about it. Those numbers and such off that "rusty Hemi Challenger" LEGALLY belong to that rusted hulk, and nothing else! Those numbers imply that the finished product is a numbers-matching car, when in fact, it is NOT. You have swapped numbers, stampings and such, along with the title, to the "built" car. Again, this is not legal. The justification that "hey, this is done all the time" is BS. What if YOU were on the receiving end on a sale of this FAKE car, which is exactly what it is, and bought it, then finding out that your State Police are confiscating your car because of what it is??? Bet you'd be pretty pissed off at that, yes???

All US States allow for home-built cars, and the proper registration and titling of them. Some States are a LOT more of a PITA about it than others, but that is the way it goes. There is NOTHING wrong with a State-issued VIN! What you are building is NOT a factory car, to start with! Why illegally represent it as such???

 

[zyzzyx]

Not Legal in Illinois! The Secretary of State can confiscate the car if it suspected of Re-Bodying! Lotsa money down the drain. The Title is for the body, Not the
V.I.N. tag.

 

[eldubb440]

lmao.......... sounds like 90% of this site is in deep ****

 

[smb03]

if you replaced every rotted panel where you had to even remove the ones with vin stamps vs using a new body and spot welding those old panels to it, whats the difference....i bet 25% the cars in barrett jackson were rebodied.

 

[mopar 3 B]

if you replaced every rotted panel where you had to even remove the ones with vin stamps vs using a new body and spot welding those old panels to it, whats the difference....i bet 25% the cars in barrett jackson were rebodied.

The diff is does the doner car still have a legitimate title. If we could have provided the proper Doc's for the panel on the sons car the state would not have had a problem. Things like a salvage bill of sales or a notary copy of the donor vehicals salvage title and bill of sale for the panel would have made all the difference in the world.