new paint problem, what do you think?

[POMONAMISSEL]

he should have stripped it down or told you there can be a chase of issues with todays finishes and yesterdays finishes . and should repaint and should charge you only for stripping it like he should have . but he should eat the matls himself . hes the finishing pro and your the customer . i have done a lot of paint jobs over time , sometime you have to redo them .

 

[WileE]

I agree with most replies here, especially elldub and yatzee. I started slappin' metal many moons ago. Any good painter will know what substrate he's going over, you never take chances. You take it down to where you know you're good to go, if it means bare metal, then so be it.

 

[Steve009]

Apparently he's not the best in town otherwise you wouldn't be in the boat you are now in.
Is this the Ottawa in Canada, Il. or somewhere else?
Yeah, he's so full of it he makes the toilets jealous! Just another lazyass business man!

Ya this is ottawa, Ontario, Canada. He just did my buddy's 58 vetted and it turned out beautiful. Maybe I just pissed him off because it was a small job. I don't know.

 

[Steve009]

it ain't 1975, and you get what ya pay for........

but all I was saying is....... it's on the painter, and it's his fault for working cheap. he was either being lazy; or he is young and simply doesn't know any better...... or he's a drunk (different thread all together).

you think I never ate a job? ..... I could write a book

The Thing is I would have paid whatever it cost. I didn't bicker price and handed him $600 cash. I would have paid $1000 if that's what he said. More of just the morals of doing the job right and owning up to his mistakes. After seeing your pics looks like I'm trailering the car to your shop when I want it all done! How far is Ottawa Canada to your place haha!

 

[Bb70charger500]

The guy gives you a price if he goes over that's on him .if Hes a "professional" he should know what it takes to do the job . If it comes out bad guess what it's not the parts falt or the parts owners falt it's his falt and he needs to fix it till it's right! You didn't pay for half *** you paid for perfect! I'm not sure where you guys get stuff painted but 500-600 is a fair price in my opinion for a good done to show quality. I'm assuming there's no rust or dents. I can get a extremely nice paint job on the whole car for $3500-4000 ! I can get a decent one for $1500 .I agree you get what you pay for but $600 is a lot to just paint a hood!

 

[Steve009]

The guy gives you a price if he goes over that's on him .if Hes a "professional" he should know what it takes to do the job . If it comes out bad guess what it's not the parts falt or the parts owners falt it's his falt and he needs to fix it till it's right! You didn't pay for half *** you paid for perfect! I'm not sure where you guys get stuff painted but 500-600 is a fair price in my opinion for a good done to show quality. I'm assuming there's no rust or dents. I can get a extremely nice paint job on the whole car for $3500-4000 ! I can get a decent one for $1500 .I agree you get what you pay for but $600 is a lot to just paint a hood!

For a really good paint job in my area for a whole car it's about 10k CAD + or - $2k I would say. Paint prices seem to be crazy high in my neck of the woods. That 10k would be for a total job (blocking the whole car, engine bay, door jams, dash, etc). Not sure if I'll ever get to that point with my car because the paint right now is an ok driver quality, not perfect but from 5 ft looks ok. It's just a huge investment but maybe one day if I keep the car long term. But also, I find in Canada we just don't have as many options for anything in the car culture. Maybe 2-3 decent painters within 100 miles. Chrome is another thing we get hosed on, we don't even have a chrome shop in my city and it's the nations capital!

 

[eldubb440]

it's not really about the price, and it really is a bit of a nuisance job; but.......

IF the existing paint is solid and sound, and......
IF there is some epoxy sealer on the shelf, and......
IF there is some satin black on the shelf, and....
IF the painter dude has a clue....... BTW, most of these "reaction" problems are caused by loading material on too "wet"; allowing the solvent to attack..... see "has a clue" above

he could possibly clean it, sand it, seal it, and get paint on it in an easy day...... 600 is a win/win....... and it has to look right, or why bother?

that's a lot of "IF"'s

but get into stripping a 25 year old repaint, with "holes filled" and "swirl marks"; God knows what is under it...... you end up re-filling old dents ect....... that job could end up sucking up days

now IF I told someone it may be a 1000 - 1500, but was much less involved than thought; I'd be honest about it........ and IF I **** it up, I fix it........ it really is all pretty simple

 

[Bb70charger500]

Sounds like it might be more cost effective to send the car down here to me in fl. There's a fantastic chrome shop here and again top shelf paint jobs for less . Shipping would probably still be cheaper then paying those prices up there ! I've seen it done many times . I saw on t.v there's a chrome shop in Mexico in the u.s.a. the chrome quote was $5000 they drove 30 mins into Mexico and payed $450 for everything and the work beast great . Makes you think a little! I think we are to late but greed in this country has ruined everything

 

[eldubb440]

I think we are to late but greed in this country has ruined everything

yup...... 7000/year property tax is pretty greedy, it flows down hill

 

[Bb70charger500]

I like this little flag . they needed to leave stuff alone and everyone needs to quite being greedy.if we all play nice together we might make it another 10-15 years!

 

[Cornpatch MO]

I like this little flag . they needed to leave stuff alone and everyone needs to quite being greedy.if we all play nice together we might make it another 10-15 years!

I like that little flag too...I think there is plenty of that in this thread...................MO

 

[Bladecutter]

edubb is right, 600 bucks ain't that much pie.
The old finish is probably synthetic enamel or lacquer. The new topcoat solvents penetrated & reacted with the old finish. As eldubb said, epoxy primer/sealer is a good deterrent to penetrating solvents. When a substrate is in question about reactivity, another good step for added insurance is for a NON-sanding WATERBORNE sealer to be applied just previous to topcoating. The top coat solvents cannot penetrate the waterborne. Since the hood is a matte or semi gloss(contains flattening agent) it should be much more forgiving than a gloss finish.
If You have not gotten this issue resolved yet, go back to the Guy, tell Him to sand it back down flat & to apply a non sanding waterborne sealer prior to re-top coating. 99.9% that the reaction will not reoccur.

 

[Steve009]

edubb is right, 600 bucks ain't that much pie.
The old finish is probably synthetic enamel or lacquer. The new topcoat solvents penetrated & reacted with the old finish. As eldubb said, epoxy primer/sealer is a good deterrent to penetrating solvents. When a substrate is in question about reactivity, another good step for added insurance is for a NON-sanding WATERBORNE sealer to be applied just previous to topcoating. The top coat solvents cannot penetrate the waterborne. Since the hood is a matte or semi gloss(contains flattening agent) it should be much more forgiving than a gloss finish.
If You have not gotten this issue resolved yet, go back to the Guy, tell Him to sand it back down flat & to apply a non sanding waterborne sealer prior to re-top coating. 99.9% that the reaction will not reoccur.

Good advice, thanks bladecutter. I've never heard of this waterborne but you are right about he old paint being part enamel

 

[Mike67]

For my father in laws nova the bill was $23k on all new sheetmetal, even the little remaining or sheetmetal was striped and coated w/ dtm.
Now that being said Danny welded the door edges and other areas to close the gaps, powered coated the Heidts front end, under coated and installed the all the glass as well as some other things.
I/ we were expecting in the neighborhood of $15k and were shocked when the final bill arrived.
We have found a few flaws and Danny has owned every one and corrected them.
The T bird we are doing now wasn't much better , but it involved some metal replacement and a lot of straightening...
Everyone wanted to know if I was going to send my car there...ummm no! Those prices are way out of my league. I've decided to do it all on my own...will it be perfect, no, will it win many trophies? Don't know , don't care. What I will know is that I did it myself, good or bad...I'm sure I'll get some thumbs up at the stop lights and rolling down the road!

 

[Steve009]

For my father in laws nova the bill was $23k on all new sheetmetal, even the little remaining or sheetmetal was striped and coated w/ dtm.
Now that being said Danny welded the door edges and other areas to close the gaps, powered coated the Heidts front end, under coated and installed the all the glass as well as some other things.
I/ we were expecting in the neighborhood of $15k and were shocked when the final bill arrived.
We have found a few flaws and Danny has owned every one and corrected them.
The T bird we are doing now wasn't much better , but it involved some metal replacement and a lot of straightening...
Everyone wanted to know if I was going to send my car there...ummm no! Those prices are way out of my league. I've decided to do it all on my own...will it be perfect, no, will it win many trophies? Don't know , don't care. What I will know is that I did it myself, good or bad...I'm sure I'll get some thumbs up at the stop lights and rolling down the road!

Good on you to tackle a job like that on your own! Good luck!

 

[eldubb440]

edubb is right

 

[Mike67]

Good on you to tackle a job like that on your own! Good luck!

Well a close family friend and a well known builder in the area told me a long time ago that really stuck with me and eased some of the trepidation I had at doing certain things. He said "there is no one that was born knowing all this sh$t, if you f-up, you grind it, sand it, weld it and start over."
I took that to heart on my wifes build, the only two things I did not do on the car was the body paint ( I did do the fiberglass Shelby hood in flat black) and the seat covers. The head liner, the console all the glass I did my self and pretty happy with the outcome..
So I figure what the hell??? Give it a shot, what's the worst that can happen I have to do it 2x??? 3??? Still cheaper than pay so e one else to do it..

 

[Bladecutter]

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LMAO! That's good 'Dub. You know i hear the word perfect tossed around pretty loosely here & everywhere else. I've never done it & i've never seen it. & no matter how long one has done this ****, the beast ALWAYS grows a new horn. I like what i see of Your stuff & i know that You know exactly where i'm coming from by my statements above.....this is a game that's learned the hard way & mistakes are the most prominent of teachers.
Man, the water base non sanding sealer is so old school that i can't get an accurate hit by googling. Have to make some phone calls tomorrow to find out who still makes it. Rinshed Mason is what i used to use.
Cheers Bro, Your work is stellar!

 

[eldubb440]

LMAO! That's good 'Dub. You know i hear the word perfect tossed around pretty loosely here & everywhere else. I've never done it & i've never seen it. & no matter how long one has done this ****, the beast ALWAYS grows a new horn. I like what i see of Your stuff & i know that You know exactly where i'm coming from by my statements above.....this is a game that's learned the hard way & mistakes are the most prominent of teachers.
Man, the water base non sanding sealer is so old school that i can't get an accurate hit by googling. Have to make some phone calls tomorrow to find out who still makes it. Rinshed Mason is what i used to use.
Cheers Bro, Your work is stellar!

Hey Dr Jimi........ check out the train wreck hidden within this thread

http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/threads/keystone-klassics.136155/page-2

 

[Bladecutter]

Hey Dr Jimi........ check out the train wreck hidden within this thread

http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/threads/keystone-klassics.136155/page-2

Yep, i saw it & of course threw in on it......break out the long board with 120, cut it flat & stick it in the sun & hope for an air dry.....that would be my 1st attempt at a salvage before a total strip.