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Prayer may be needed here

The update is they hit water at 197 feet but only 2 gallons per minute. I was hoping for 5gp as we live in a heavy limestone area. 1/2-2 gpm is average for this area.

Wow. 197 feet at 2 gpm. It could have been worse. The fools that drilled at my Dad's place back in '98 picked the highest spot on the property to drill a dry hole at $4.-/ft. Finally wend down the other property line to the low land and got 7 gpm at about 40'. :rolleyes:
 
Wow....I just checked my watch...and it is 2020. Dowsing for water? Really? There is no evidence (scientific or proper testing of the dowsers themselves or deviners as they are sometimes called) to say this works....so basically if it did it was luck. There's a lot of water down there. I'm amazed someone would want to potentially spend big money based on nothing more than belief in hokum. Mind you having asked for prayers to help....maybe I'm not surprised.
https://wtamu.edu/~cbaird/sq/mobile/2015/04/15/how-does-water-dowsing-work/
 
Wow....I just checked my watch...and it is 2020. Dowsing for water? Really? There is no evidence (scientific or proper testing of the dowsers themselves or deviners as they are sometimes called) to say this works....so basically if it did it was luck.

Substitute dowsing for paper & cloth face masks and cloth bandannas & you have the same argument.
 
Erm? ......no...this is not the place for that discussion (let's face it there are more than enough threads on that!)......but there is scientific evidence (both ways) to have a sensible argument/discussion on whether to wear a mask or not. Divining is just fantasy....one step way from witchcraft or magic...which of course a religious man like the OP should have no belief in!
 
Oh my god, I'm surrounded by saps...

Do you guys believe in ghosts too? Premonitions? The easter bunny? Grow up
 
I've seen some things in my 69 years of life to believe that there are 'other' forces in nature happening that 'science' can't explain....and I'll leave it at that.
 
Wow! There IS a sucker born every minute.
Answer this question. Why aren't dowsers millionaires? If I had the power of dowsing I would offer to pay for any drilling that didn't produce water. Who could refuse such an offer? It is the ultimate no lose situation for the person needing a well. Since they all would produce, I would never have to pay, just collect. With such an offer, and the ensuing media coverage, I would soon be drilling every well in the USA. I could then easily charge many times the going rate. If your answer is "well it is not 100% reliable", then you are believing in something you should not.
One more question. Are there any dowsers who make a good living off of dowsing only? I would venture to say no.
 
I’m totally confused. Does this business of water witching work or not? Seems like a fair bunch of guys swear by it and others say it’s a bunch of bs. I’ll never need a well so I don’t really care - but am now curious. Who has proof either way?
 
I’m totally confused. Does this business of water witching work or not? Seems like a fair bunch of guys swear by it and others say it’s a bunch of bs. I’ll never need a well so I don’t really care - but am now curious. Who has proof either way?
I always laughed at my F-in-law and called it BS until I watched him witch the drill spot for the cottage well in '83. Both neighbours (100 foot wide lots) paid big money to have drilled wells done, to almost 200 feet, and had dry holes. He witched a well spot, directed the rig into place and had 22 gpm at 55 feet, that to this day is still supplying him and both neighbours!
 
Wow! There IS a sucker born every minute.
Answer this question. Why aren't dowsers millionaires? If I had the power of dowsing I would offer to pay for any drilling that didn't produce water. Who could refuse such an offer? It is the ultimate no lose situation for the person needing a well. Since they all would produce, I would never have to pay, just collect. With such an offer, and the ensuing media coverage, I would soon be drilling every well in the USA. I could then easily charge many times the going rate. If your answer is "well it is not 100% reliable", then you are believing in something you should not.
One more question. Are there any dowsers who make a good living off of dowsing only? I would venture to say no.
Are you a 'scientific' driller? :D If so, what are your percentages?
 
"Scientific" drillers will state up front there is no guarantee they will hit water.
I always laughed at my F-in-law and called it BS until I watched him witch the drill spot for the cottage well in '83. Both neighbours (100 foot wide lots) paid big money to have drilled wells done, to almost 200 feet, and had dry holes. He witched a well spot, directed the rig into place and had 22 gpm at 55 feet, that to this day is still supplying him and both neighbours!
This is what is called anecdotal evidence. What is the proof that the dowser found water? In most places in the US it is almost impossible NOT to find water any place you drill, depending on the depth.
There were MILLIONS of intelligent people who thought Uri Geller was the real deal, that is until he was put into controlled, scientific testing.
 
Wow....I just checked my watch...and it is 2020. Dowsing for water? Really? There is no evidence (scientific or proper testing of the dowsers themselves or deviners as they are sometimes called) to say this works....so basically if it did it was luck. There's a lot of water down there. I'm amazed someone would want to potentially spend big money based on nothing more than belief in hokum. Mind you having asked for prayers to help....maybe I'm not surprised.
https://wtamu.edu/~cbaird/sq/mobile/2015/04/15/how-does-water-dowsing-work/

From the article:

The dowsing rods do indeed move, but not in response to anything underground. They are simply responding to the random movements of the person holding the rods.

The person that wrote this has never tried doing it or it didn't work for them. I'll challenge any naysayer to prove to them that it does work. It's not that hard to prove :D
 
Uri Geller the self proclaimed psychic and spoon bender?? :rofl:
 
I didnt intend to stir such a debate. Ive never met anyone who is a water diviner. I just thought if i could get a diviner to point out a spot where he finds water that I could compare that to the drillers geographic data to find the best spot to drill.
 
If it was harmless, you wouldn't hear a peep out of me, but people waste an awful lot of money on bullshit like this. Dowsing, mediums, fortune tellers, essential oils... it riles me up.

The fact that this is even a debate is making me lose faith in humanity. This isn't religion or politics, this is pure fantasy. Folks who believe in this crap deserve every scrap of ridicule that comes their way.
 
In my biz, we have two ways of finding leaks in underground waterlines (and we're talking
sizeable pipes here, municipal lines from anything like 4" diameter on up to monster sizes).
Firelines, we call 'em.
One is by the use of the typical "sounding" electronic equipment (headphones + "leak detector")
like this one:
2018-01-09.jpg

They're sometimes effective - and yeah, it takes someone with just that certain set of sensitivities
about them to be any good with them, at least when hunting small leaks.
Gushers of course are easy to find - sometimes you can hear those with the nekked ear. I'm pretty good
at spotting them by use of putting my ear up to fire hydrants and post indicator valves with a metal tool
of some sort, too. If the leak is near, I can hear it that way, same way I can "hear" water running inside
a buildings' piping from any point in the system.
Naturally, if a leak is making its' way to the surface, any knucklehead can find it, too.

Water companies typically have a man or two that have been designated their leak detecting pros,
with varying results.
Some of the bigger fire protection companies own their own equipment, too.
I've played with such equipment off and on for decades now; the equipment has definitely gotten
better over the years, but it still takes a trained ear to understand what you're hearing.

Now, that's all very technical and scientific-like, but as someone who has seen it used AND been
trained to use it more than once, I can tell you it's still a crap shoot about 3/4 of the time.

Now, about dousers....
I've only known a couple-three in my life that were what I would consider "legit" - not only did others
I knew and trusted report successes of these dousers, but I have witnessed them in action myself.
First thing you need to understand is NO, there is NOT literally "water everywhere". Not by a long shot,
especially in mountainous areas like out this way - so when these folks find water doing their thing,
it isn't just blind luck.
And they've nailed it every single time I've watched them do it. Every. Damn. Time.
The other thing that always struck me about these people is they are true "salt of the earth" types,
very quiet and unassuming, humble about their abilities, offering no explanation of how they can do it.
They learned very early in life, usually via a relative or parent, that they had the ability, that simple.

Again, I don't think it's anything divine in nature or supernatural - more like some of us are more
sensitive to certain aspects of our surroundings, some of us more sensitive to others.
It ain't witchcraft, it ain't Uri whatsisface - it's just the way they were made, which means there's
got to be many more out there with the same makeup who could be a proper douser, they've just
never tried.

Oh, and those of you resorting to childish schoolyard insults and putdowns about this subject can
kindly kiss my lilly white ***.
 
In my biz, we have two ways of finding leaks in underground waterlines (and we're talking
sizeable pipes here, municipal lines from anything like 4" diameter on up to monster sizes).
Firelines, we call 'em.
One is by the use of the typical "sounding" electronic equipment (headphones + "leak detector")
like this one:
View attachment 950635
They're sometimes effective - and yeah, it takes someone with just that certain set of sensitivities
about them to be any good with them, at least when hunting small leaks.
Gushers of course are easy to find - sometimes you can hear those with the nekked ear. I'm pretty good
at spotting them by use of putting my ear up to fire hydrants and post indicator valves with a metal tool
of some sort, too. If the leak is near, I can hear it that way, same way I can "hear" water running inside
a buildings' piping from any point in the system.
Naturally, if a leak is making its' way to the surface, any knucklehead can find it, too.

Water companies typically have a man or two that have been designated their leak detecting pros,
with varying results.
Some of the bigger fire protection companies own their own equipment, too.
I've played with such equipment off and on for decades now; the equipment has definitely gotten
better over the years, but it still takes a trained ear to understand what you're hearing.

Now, that's all very technical and scientific-like, but as someone who has seen it used AND been
trained to use it more than once, I can tell you it's still a crap shoot about 3/4 of the time.

Now, about dousers....
I've only known a couple-three in my life that were what I would consider "legit" - not only did others
I knew and trusted report successes of these dousers, but I have witnessed them in action myself.
First thing you need to understand is NO, there is NOT literally "water everywhere". Not by a long shot,
especially in mountainous areas like out this way - so when these folks find water doing their thing,
it isn't just blind luck.
And they've nailed it every single time I've watched them do it. Every. Damn. Time.
The other thing that always struck me about these people is they are true "salt of the earth" types,
very quiet and unassuming, humble about their abilities, offering no explanation of how they can do it.
They learned very early in life, usually via a relative or parent, that they had the ability, that simple.

Again, I don't think it's anything divine in nature or supernatural - more like some of us are more
sensitive to certain aspects of our surroundings, some of us more sensitive to others.
It ain't witchcraft, it ain't Uri whatsisface - it's just the way they were made, which means there's
got to be many more out there with the same makeup who could be a proper douser, they've just
never tried.

Oh, and those of you resorting to childish schoolyard insults and putdowns about this subject can
kindly kiss my lilly white ***.

...references childish schoolyard insults, ends with a childish schoolyard insult...

I can see why you'd be the type to believe in this stuff.

Have a good weekend everybody. I'm out.
 
...references childish schoolyard insults, ends with a childish schoolyard insult...
I can see why you'd be the type to believe in this stuff.
Have a good weekend everybody. I'm out.
I didn't call anyone any names, sir. Brush up on your reading comprehension skills.
 
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