R134A issues and alternatives

[70chall440]

I have only recently discovered that the Gov of this state (Washington) signed into law a bill that bans the sale of R134A (actually happened last year). Like many, I own a lot of AC equipped cars but most notably the 71 Charger I am building will have AC.

I am now pondering how to charge this car and perhaps how to recharge some of the others as it becomes necessary. I see that there are alternatives such as R1234YF which I "believe" is still available here.

Looking for any information or perhaps just a discussion on the subject.

 

[snakeoil24]

Order from out of state and screw the tree huggers

 

[wagonman]

I still have a jug of R12 and only 1 ride to use it on, a 92 1st gen Dodge 250. I need to find a cycling switch with the capilary tube but have it jury rigged for now.

 

[Lefty71]

R-22 is way worse, now manufacture is banned countrywide. The wholesalers stockpiled it for a very long time. Why should you be any different?? One hobbyist is NOT going to destroy the planet. I saw a website saying even in Washington, the stores have failed to pull it from the shelves. Go get some, lol.

 

[Darter6]

R134A Buy as much as you can.While you can.

 

[snakeoil24]

R134a is garbage

 

[snakeoil24]

R134a is garbage

Disagree is your right come sit in two of my cars one with r12 the other with 134a and see snow flakes

 

[Nxcoupe]

I use stuff called envirosafe r134 replacement and freeze 12. It's a touch colder than pure r134a. It has some flammables in it but I don't care about that. I can snap a pic of the can, got it off of ebay.

 

[Demonic]

Hundreds of thousands of high tonnage chillers out there running 134a. I’m talking about chillers, centrifugal and screw machines, running between 250 and 1500 lbs of 134a. 42-44* chilled water.

 

[Nxcoupe]

1234yf is about 40 bucks an oz and is not able to be retrofitted to r134 or r12 systems. I doubt we will see anything to replace 134 for a bit.

 

[70chall440]

Disagree is your right come sit in two of my cars one with r12 the other with 134a and see snow flakes

Seems you are arguing with yourself?

 

[70chall440]

1234yf is about 40 bucks an oz and is not able to be retrofitted to r134 or r12 systems. I doubt we will see anything to replace 134 for a bit.

That was my next question, is there anything (not banned) that I can use in vehicles that already have R134A?

 

[70chall440]

I use stuff called envirotech freeze 12. It's a touch colder than pure r134a. It has some flammables in it but I don't care about that. I can snap a pic of the can, got it off of ebay.

I am interested to check it out

 

[70chall440]

I use stuff called envirotech freeze 12. It's a touch colder than pure r134a. It has some flammables in it but I don't care about that. I can snap a pic of the can, got it off of ebay.

I just looked that up and it appears to be a spray can that you use to clean keyboards and the like.....

 

[Nxcoupe]

I just looked that up and it appears to be a spray can that you use to clean keyboards and the like.....

I will go out to the garage in a few minutes and snap a pic, then you can search ebay. I buy it by the case.

 

[Demonic]

Move out of the state. Your politicians are idiots.

Wait, forget it. That’s true everywhere.

 

[70chall440]

I wish I could (and yes they are idiots) but I am too far in, I have two 40x60 shops full of Mopars not to mention a lot of other crap, plus I am close to Ft Lewis (aka JBLM) where I retired and still have teammates and friends along with the services on base.

 

[Nxcoupe]

I just looked that up and it appears to be a spray can that you use to clean keyboards and the like.....

The bottom pick is what I ordered a case of. I don't believe they still make the top one, but it's the same stuff. I couldn't find a fitting to screw onto that small oil charge can, so that's why I still have it. Hope this helps.

 

[70chall440]

Thats helpful, thanks. I just looked it up and a case of 8oz enviro-safe is like $100

 

[Nxcoupe]

Thats helpful, thanks. I just looked it up and a case of 8oz enviro-safe is like $100

Read the description. Each can is the equivalent of 12 oz of r134. It blows COLD! That's what I like about it.