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[69 Runner]

Hey Sundance. Are you trying to say it stands for Will Carter Four Barrel?

I'm not sure. Could you be more specific? :rolling:

 

[khryslerkid]

WCFB: White Cast Four Barrel, for the metal used for the mainbody and top castings, white (or pot) metal.

AFB: Aluminum Four Barrel, made of aluminum.

AVS: Air Valve Secondary, for the secondary air brake type difference from the AFB.

TQ: Thermo-Quad, thermo-plastic main body.

 

[74sundance]

hey sundance. Are you trying to say it stands for will carter four barrel?

I'm not sure. Could you be more specific? :rolling:

ha ha,just trying to be helpful ;)

 

[74sundance]

WCFB: White Cast Four Barrel, for the metal used for the mainbody and top castings, white (or pot) metal.

AFB: Aluminum Four Barrel, made of aluminum.

AVS: Air Valve Secondary, for the secondary air brake type difference from the AFB.

TQ: Thermo-Quad, thermo-plastic main body.

Think about it, why would they call it a WHITE CAST four barrel when it's not white cast,or even pot metal, it's Wrought Iron.Mind you some had either iron or aluminum throttle bodies but Aluminum is not white cast or pot metal.Plus an "WCFB" is 18lbs and an "AFB" is about half that due to it being Aluminum and not Wrought Iron.
The WCFB, introduced in 1952,was comprised of three basic
castings: a cast-iron throttle body, a zinc main body, and an aluminum air horn,no pot metal no white metal.

The offical company line in the 1970's and 1980's (before Federal Mogul) was Will Carter Four Barrel (see the Dave Emanual book "Carter Carburetors").

http://www.amazon.com/Carter-Carburetors-Dave-Emanuel/dp/0931472113

Carter Carburetors beginning in 1932 had a type designation beginning with a "W" and had iron bases. These include the W-1, W-2, and WA-1 single barrel; and the WD-0 (zero, not "ohh"), WCD, and WGD two barrel.


Aluminum is it's own material, pot/white metal are mixes of metals:

"POT METAL"
Pot metal is a slang term which is used to refer to cheap metal alloys with a low melting point. The low melting point makes pot metal very easy to cast, but the generally low quality can cause problems during casting and at a later date. Because there is no formal definition of pot metal, it can be hard to determine its contents. Some common metals included in pot metal alloys include: zinc, lead, copper, tin, magnesium, aluminum, iron, tin, and cadmium, among others.

"WHITE CAST"
The white metals are any of several light-colored alloys used as a base for plated silverware, ornaments or novelties, as well as any of several lead-base or tin-base alloys used for things like bearings, jewellery, miniature figures, fusible plugs, some medals and metal type.

Some of the metals that make up a white metal are antimony, tin, lead, cadmium, bismuth, and zinc. Not all of these metals are found in all white metal alloys but are mixed to achieve a desired goal or need. As an example, a base metal for jewelry needs to be castable, polishable, have good flow characteristics, have the ability to cast fine detail without an excessive amount of porosity and cast at between 230 °C and 300 °C (450 °F and 575 °F).

And just to toss another wrench into the mix, not all AFB carbs were Aluminum some were in fact cast out of zinc............So should we call them "ZFB" Carbs, ha ha

 

[74sundance]

Look what I finally found!

The history of Will Carter:

The Four-Barrel Era
Through the 1940s, life was good for the Carter Carburetor Company. It continued to supply
original equipment carburetors, but the introduction of mass-produced eight-cylinder engines
created a need for fuel and air handling capacity that exceeded the capacity of a one-barrel
carburetor. To answer the demand, Carter introduced the BBD two-barrel, which made its debut
beneath the hood of a DeSoto, a Chrysler Corporation brand that was discontinued in November
1960. This efficient carburetor, albeit with significant changes, was produced until the early 1980s.
The second and more important event—one that inexorably changed the history of the carburetor—
was the introduction of the world’s first four-barrel. This original design, called the WCFB (for Will
Carter Four Barrel), appeared atop the aging, Buick straight-eight engine.

 

[khryslerkid]

I have read the same. Not to disagree but just to hash it out a little:

It dosen't seem like anyone has the true facts to the meaning of these four letters WCFB. Will Carter Four Barrel, White Cast Four Barrel, even Working Carb Four Barrel, (like they would make one that didn't work).

Some say that white cast metal was used for a smooth casting and it makes a good heat sink. (dosen't hold heat very long) like aluminum, without the cost. Will Carter on the other hand does'nt make a very good alloy.

We can not ask Mr.William Carter himself.

It seems like the right imformation has been lost in time just like what the number "33" means on a bottle of Rolling Rock Beer.

Some ask why would'nt other carbs made by Carter be named after himself or other family members? AFB Annie Four Barrel, AVS Allen Valve Secondary. I don't know, I wasn't around when Mr. Carter came up with the first four barrel carb. (1952 I think I read somewhere) Was it the first?

This is just one of these things that I am not going to get too upset about if I never hear the true facts. The carb. itself, is a must if you are restoring a car to the exact factory specs. It is not a very desirable carb., especially for performance purposes.

A lot of imformation out there today has been intered into a database by a data processor from a pile of whatever without any links to the origin. I see it time and time again. Example: Look up how to change a timing belt on a '98 VW Jetta 2.0, and see how many articles tell you to drain the cooling system first. In no way do you have to do this! I have changed several and in no way is the cooling system involved!

You have to know these things first hand or have a reliable source. I am not in disagreement with you sundance, just not convinced one way or another.

Maybe the Edelbrock family knows the truth, didn't they buy them out?

 

[74sundance]

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It dosen't seem like anyone has the true facts to the meaning of these four letters WCFB. Will Carter Four Barrel, White Cast Four Barrel, even Working Carb Four Barrel, (like they would make one that didn't work).

I agree,but at the same time "white cast" makes absolutely no sense at all,it's not White cast it's Wrought Iron. Wrought Cast four barrel would make more sense lol

 

[khryslerkid]

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I agree,but at the same time "white cast" makes absolutely no sense at all,it's not White cast it's Wrought Iron. Wrought Cast four barrel would make more sense lol

I've heard that one too which does make more sence. :yes:

I have something in the works. I have to see how it pans out. :grin: (Got that itch and can't quite reach it, if you know what I meen.)

 

[74sundance]

Cool,I shot off an e-mail to Mopar Collectors mag,asked them to find out what WCFB really means.

 

[khryslerkid]

I have been talking to Edelbrock, waiting for them to get back to me. Imagine that!

 

[fugly]

They are made by Weber -Carter and Eddy

 

[khryslerkid]

Hey MarPar! You ever get this thing running yet?

 

[MarPar]

Hey Kid!

Ya i got it runnin' again, but then i decided to put in a new re-cored rad. i have and changed out the p.steering pump that was pissin flluid everywhere in the engine compartment. :angry9: so i cleaned it all up and i am just puttin' everything back together. hopefully i can finish it up by tomorrow. imp3:

 

[khryslerkid]

Cool! One thing always seems to lead to another! LOL