Toyota Warns (Again) About Electrifying All Autos. Is Anyone Listening?

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There is nothing to argue about, our power grid speaks for itself. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to see California can't handle another toaster, little less a state full of electric cars.
 

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It’s all about putting lipstick on a pig.. Whatever looks good no matter the cost or who it effects. The batteries are a disaster but if they are made somewhere else and doesn’t affect US soil no problem, getting China more money even better, getting rid of the batteries let’s just bury them with all the nuke waste and forget them... Politicians are folks that have no real life clue on how things work, the only thing they know how do is screw folks and smile.
 

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It’s all about putting lipstick on a pig.. Whatever looks good no matter the cost or who it effects. The batteries are a disaster but if they are made somewhere else and doesn’t affect US soil no problem, getting China more money even better, getting rid of the batteries let’s just bury them with all the nuke waste and forget them... Politicians are folks that have no real life clue on how things work, the only thing they know how do is screw folks and smile.
Well said!!
 

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I find it hard to believe politicians don't know this so why? Why are they knowingly pushing us towards something that isn't yet feasible? There's more to this than the environment.
Nothing stops ideologues from advancing "the agenda"....
 

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There is nothing to argue about, our power grid speaks for itself. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to see California can't handle another toaster, little less a state full of electric cars.
It can. It just can't during peak times. That's true everywhere. It's why there is a big push for infrastructure renewal. Now of course travel demands doesn't care about "Peak or non peak times" So not only do we need more capacity. We need far better storage technology to serve the growing demand.

It's not impossible. Even with today's available resources and tech trends. But getting us started in the right direction has proven most difficult.
 

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No it cannot. Toyota, Volkswagen and Tesla disagree with you. Remember last winters power problems? The asking folks to use less power and the rolling brown outs in the summers in California?
 

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Just for the non-chemists out there, whenever any hydrocarbon (HC) fuel is combusted, the result is CO2 (carbon dioxide) and H2O (water). When you look at the hierarchy of chemical reactions, CO2 is the lowest energy level any HC can reach. What some entities are doing is using solar power (or some other "free" source) to extract the carbon from CO2 and combine it with hydrogen (usually derived from splitting water in an electrolytic process) to produce an HC fuel (Methane -- aka CH4 -- is popular as it is the easiest conversion). Unless the electrical energy supply is "free" like solar, this process is up-side-down. It takes more energy to revert CO2 to HC than you get when you burn HC with O2 and produce some form of power (check out Faraday's 2nd Law of Thermodynamics). I've followed that path long enough to look the other way.
Well mr smartypants, if it was as worthless as you say, there wouldn't be a plant up and running producing fuel in that way
 

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EV's at this point in time are a eco-freak's pipe
dream.
EV's ranges are virtually cut in half in colder
climates. Ford's Lightening runs out of poop
when run at full towing capacity while running
at highway speeds, with an estimated 80 mile
range.
EV's will perform adequately in urban
environments where quick little trips around
town are required. Running from Houston
to Albuquerque at 80 with the wipers, lights,
AC, and radio on, you'll be stopping in Ozona
for a recharge.
EV's are about control of movement. Same as
the Covid crap.
 
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One reason the government is pushing EV’s could be that when you look at socialist and communist countries travel within those countries is very restricted for the masses. In a large country like ours EV’s would do just that. Their end goal would be to limit people to bicycles or walking as a means to get to the government factory to work.
 

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One reason the government is pushing EV’s could be that when you look at socialist and communist countries travel within those countries is very restricted for the masses. In a large country like ours EV’s would do just that. Their end goal would be to limit people to bicycles or walking as a means to get to the government factory to work.


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It can. It just can't during peak times. That's true everywhere. It's why there is a big push for infrastructure renewal. Now of course travel demands doesn't care about "Peak or non peak times" So not only do we need more capacity. We need far better storage technology to serve the growing demand.

It's not impossible. Even with today's available resources and tech trends. But getting us started in the right direction has proven most difficult.


How is the electric car a step in the right direction? Who gave the government the power to dictate what form of surface transportation anyone uses?

The absolute control the government has over the minds of some people is absolutely incredible. It’s a shame people have no clue how mine screwed they are.

The electric car will be a failure. You might as well go back to the horse and buggy as an electric car.

The trendy, hip, virtue signaling know nothings are always at the forefront of this kind of garbage. They know the least and claim the most, yell the loudest and never think for themselves.
 

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good original post RC...

someone wrote a well thought out argument

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