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I going to install a Edelbrock 1406 Carburetor and Edelbrock Performer intake manifold on my 318 CUI (72 Dodge Charger - AT - PS - PB).
In this context, I interested to hear your advise and opinion of which CompCam I shall mount to get a mild / middle tuning ( not some kind of tuning that smash my 904 tran or my 8 3/4 rear axle) - I do not run race - but just interested in some more power and better sound.
Next step will be to install 360 heads (when I have more money) so please have this in mind of advise and recommendations of the CompCam - 318 cui with 318 heads and 318 cui with 360 heads.
 
better mill those 360 heads before you "just" put them on.
 
I ran the comp cams xe262h in my 318 Dart. Ran well with the low compression 318, stock convertor etc...
 
I didnt see the 360 head thing. Don't do that. It's a mistake. First off, you're not building an engine that warrants the 360 size valves or ports, secondly, the 360 size combustion chamber will put your compression deep into the 7s. If you really want to help the little 318, put some 302 castings on it, or even Magnum heads, but don't put the 360 heads on it.
 
I'd also consider the 256 cam.

Do a camquest with the same parameters on both the 262 and the 256, and you'll see the 256 is less than 10HP lower, at peak, but has a MUCH flatter torque curve that starts 500 RPM sooner, and spans almost 2000 RPM in range vs the 262's sharp peak.

You'd basically be tading off 10 HP for 3 times more torque availability, in a better RPM range.
 
thanks for the many inputs - welcomes more - I have fun if I can keep everything (almost) original but just optimize it - easier perhaps should be larger engine and etc - but I have matching numbers throughout the driveline, I think it would be a shame to lose that detail
 
I personally went with the Summit "small" cam for my Satellite. On sale for $88.

It's a modern-ish split profile, with a gain of about .050" in lift, and it can use the factory springs.

I watched a video of a scamp with one installed, and it had a nice moderately lopey idle.

According to the FSM, from base 150 NET HP, it's +20 for the duals, and hopefully this cam will put me over the 200 mark.

That'd be a pretty good bang for the buck value, at less than $250 after all the gaskets, etc, and asuming the duals cost about $125 (I just had it done to my Coronet).

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...forgot about the carb...
 
Well.....here's my 2 cents on the 256. ...and no disrespect meant. It's just an opinion, that's all. The factory 340 cam is bigger than that. Keep in mind, it is the late design 340 cam, not the 68 4 speed cam. So that means it was ground to work with 8.5:1 (in actuality probably more like 8:1 compression). So to me, the 256 ain't even on my radar for a 318. Take a look at the dual energy I suggested. Look at the duration split. Short intake duration with a wide split and much longer exhaust duration. That will have a nice noticable idle in a 318. Kinda a "Thumpr" effect without the 107* centerline and loss of vacuum. I don't hold stock in many computer programs.....especially those from the same cam company you're thinking of buying from. Hello? lol I guess what I'm trying to say is, if you're gonna recam an engine, DO IT, don't put something in it only a step or two away from stock. What's the point? Again, meant with the most respect possible. It's just my opinion.


Oh and that Summit cam......it's alright. It's the same cam that everybody and their brother has offered over the years. 440/463 204/214 on a 114 or whatever it is.....there are several varaitions on the theme but essentially all the same. It's a good cam if you want off idle torque and a stock idle. But again, it's even smaller than the 340 cam. To me, the 340 cam would be the smallest thing I'd wanna run in anything. Especially with today's lobe designs because you can go much larger than the 340 cam and still retain great driveability and have good cylinder pressure.
 
I didnt see the 360 head thing. Don't do that. It's a mistake. First off, you're not building an engine that warrants the 360 size valves or ports, secondly, the 360 size combustion chamber will put your compression deep into the 7s. If you really want to help the little 318, put some 302 castings on it, or even Magnum heads, but don't put the 360 heads on it.
Sounds interesting - tell a little more about the 302 castings - were do I find them? do they fit directly on my 318 and can I use my Edelbrock Performer intake without changes ?

And if I mount 302 castings should I then be looking on another Comp Cam?
 
Yup yup. They fit right on because they ARE 318 heads. They just have a more efficient combustion chamber. I have a fresh 318 sittin in the shop floor with magnum heads on it. Blueprinted it at 9.2:1. It has this little Voodoo Cam http://www.summitracing.com/parts/lun-10200703/overview/make/dodge See the RPM range? 1800-6200. It'll make a 318 sound nasty, but still pull like a sumbitch because of its modern lobe design.

As far as the heads, the 302s are great for a factory iron head on a 318. Their 318 size ports make good velocity. Velocity, not port size is what's about. How fast you can get it in and out. Big port 360 heads on a 318 will kill it DEAD because the port size doesn't match the engine's ability to move air......unless you make a LOT of other expensive changes, such as bigger valves, more compression and so on. As I read this, I think you are after the best bang for the buck, not a money pit project.

302 castings though are lightweight, thin castings. Finding a good set can be problematic. Same with the Magnum heads......BUT when you find an uncracked set, you have something good. They will not crack unless subjected to abuse such as overheating or freeze cracking. The Magnum and 302s share about the same size combustion chamber......around 60cc and are capable of getting compression in an otherwise stock 318 short block to as high as 10.5 with milling, however, I advise against it, because with the stock 318 piston that sits in the hole around .080" at TDC, you'll have no quench and it will not be a pump gas motor. That's why I limited mine to 9.2. Yes, you can run more cam to bleed off cylinder pressure for more compression, but to me, that's a waste. Another thing to consider is, if you go with 302 heads, they share shaft mounted rockers with all the rest of the LA engines. Magnum heads require their own specific rockers and different length pushrods, since they were designed to run with roller camshafts.

Lastly, I don't know if you should look for "another" Comp cam or not. I don't know what you decided on. I wouldn't run Comp....unless it was their Mopar specific lobe cams, OR their Dual Energy series, such as the one I recommended earlier. However, if you go to the 302 or Magnum head, you can go up to the 275 Dual Energy, which is the next size up.
 
thanks for the many good input - I have now found how my setup should be; Edelbrock 1406 carburetor, Edelbrock Performer intake, CompCam High Energy Cam 20-212-2, 302 cast heads and Headman hedders - with this combo I can boost the original engine up and have some fun under the hood and still retain most of the original
 
maybe stupid question - but these 302 castings are they available either in aluminum or steel?
 
Ran your combo on the Comp Cams program to compare 3 cams. I run the 20-221-3 (256) with the recommended springs, retainers and locks. I found with any of the stock 318 heads over .450" of lift the retainer to guide clearance gets tight so I purchased one of their cutters and lowered the guides and installed their posi seals, so I can run a bigger cam in the future.

20-221-3 (256) Avg= 70hp 114tq Peak= 280hp 363tq

20-417-3 (Rusty) Avg= 70hp 113tq Peak= 286hp 356tq

20-212-2 (yours) Avg= 69hp 112tq Peak= 283hp 355tq

Take these numbers and their published recommended useage and keep asking questions.

That is a heavy car and will need as much low rpm torque as you can find unless you plan on changing the convertor and/or rear gear ratio.
 
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