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Which Hydraulic Roller Lifters?

No, I think we're a little off topic because BAM only does solid roller lifters not hydraulic rollers. Solid roller lifters w bushing are made by several companies now. Isky is the only one that sells hydraulic roller lifter(HRX) which has a bushing and not needles..but only for a .842 lifter not a mopar. Johnson makes the HRX for ISKY. I wish they made a HRX for a bb mopar.

Whenever crane hydraulic rollers has been mentioned in above posts with success that is similiar to what Gatorman sells. Except Gatorman has some oversea's (chinese) parts in them now.

If the cam is smaller I would consider comp cams evolutions. The small bore of the lifter cartridge limits it as it won't like rpms or big spring that a larger cam would need. The HR lifters we ran were from Comp, still going but never been overly impressed, the evolutions were not out at that time yet. I think the evolutions are a good fit for milder builds.

Johnsons I believe to be the best we can get for BB mopars at the moment. They are also pricey. Out of our budget..so take it FWIW.

The last 3 we switched to hybrids. HR cams w solid roller lifters with pin oiling. We zero lash them. Getting quite a few miles on them now. My favorite one was from Tim at bullet.
Tim is who will take my custom order as well and I'll get their intermediate drive gear as well.

Thanks for the info. Seems like a lot of opinions with no clear choice. Have to look around, especially at the comp ones since my cam will be .500 lift and less than 220 @ .050
 
Tim is who will take my custom order as well and I'll get their intermediate drive gear as well.

Thanks for the info. Seems like a lot of opinions with no clear choice. Have to look around, especially at the comp ones since my cam will be .500 lift and less than 220 @ .050
I wouldn't be real worried on the lifter choices for a cam of that size. The comp evolutions have a oil hole to lubricate the roller w oil pressure and the replaceable cartridge, good features for the extra $200. The cheapest Morel just use splash lubrication for the roller like the old Comp HR lifters. Not sure what Gatorman does because Its not visually obvious.

Yep, lots of opinions!
 
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I wouldn't be real worried on the lifter choices for a cam of that size. The comp evolutions have a oil hole to lubricate the roller w oil pressure and the replaceable cartridge, good features for the extra $200. The cheapest Morel just use splash lubrication for the roller like the old Comp HR lifters. Not sure what Gatorman does because Its not visually obvious.

Yep, lots of opinions!
I think the comp evolutions are what I'm going with.
 
Yes, I use bushed Isky lifters & beehive springs. About 15 yrs now, driven weekly. Drilled oil passage to rollers in roller brg lifter is a sales gimmick. It is an engineering fact that ball & roller brgs survive on minimal oiling. Think of sealed rear wheel brgs, front wheel brgs, U joints, pilot brg in crank for man trans, etc.
 
I have the Comp Evolution in mine. Only a couple of hundred miles in and there is some noise to them. Had to tighten up the lash to where it is supposed to be and it quite down some. I doubt my engine will ever see north of 6000rpm.
 
I help folks with a lot of cams, different makes and mfg’s, and don’t really expect there will ever be a best lifter that works for everything. It just seems different lifters work better for different applications and cam profiles. One size does not fit all with HR lifters.

Gaterman lifters are a good lifter, maybe even the best lifter when you include their QC. They are basically an updated Crane lifter. Bill Gaterman (owner) worked at Crane Cams before we started his Gaterman mfg company. He had many Patents licensed to Crane. He made some good upgrades to his HR Crane lifters with some multi positioned pin oiling improvements. I wish he would make them here in the US, instead of China. I believe they are assembled here. But overall I can not say that quality has been an issue from his off shore mfg sources. His bigger issue has been keeping lifters in stock. If you can’t buy them it doesn’t matter how good they are. He seems to focus on LS lifters, and supplies lifters for some other companies like Howard’s, often the retrofit stuff is out of stock. If you can find them, Gaterman are a solid choice.

Comp evolutions can run very aggressive cams with beehive type spring packages and lighter valve terrains, but they do not do well at all with heavy dual springs and aggressive cams. On a mild cam with average spring pressures they seem work very well. Probably my #2 pick behind Gaterman’s. If you want to run a lot of spring pressure and stick with something from Comp you’re better off with the old lifter design. Either comp option is a decent choice also for what was described. QC is not close to the Gaterman.

Morel lifters are often rebranded, need extra seat timing to let the lifter recover or they almost always clatter, but they have the most robust floating pin design and very ridged bodies. If you subtract the .006” tappet seat timing rating from the .050” rating, and it is less that 54*, I would not use a regular Morel. I think 53* the absolute min on a standard Morel, and it will probably take a couple extra lifters to get a quiet set. The best results for Morels are 55* and up with a stock type profile. Not enough detail to say if these are a good choice or not. QC is decent, with the exception of blead rates.

Johnson or Morel short travel lifters will turn a lot of RPMs with a lot of spring pressure, but they do not last all that well for regular street driving. Probably not as long as a good SR set up. If you want to turn a lot of RPM’s with a lot of spring pressure on a HR cam, those are probably the best 2 options. I would pick the Morel over the Johnson because of the floating pins for more racing. For more street I would pick the Johnson short travels. If it can run a .842” lifter with a bushed lifter bore and you can afford the best I then I think the bushed Isky HPx made by Johnson is best. I don’t think there is a close second, they can run 190 seat and 525 lbs of spring pressure. These are more designed for racing than extended street driving.

The limited travel Johnson lifters are a good fit for most average HR cams with moderate springs, higher quality QC than Comp. Crower HR lifters are made by Johnson. These often are a decent compromise lifter that will handle a good amount of spring pressure with an aggressive cam. For a good sized cam with not much seat timing with dual springs they probably are just under the Gatermans, and ahead of Comps options. Hylift Johnson is similar to Johnson for most things, probably slightly better dependability, and have a pin oiling option, but lack the valving to support high RPM stuff unless the cam is less aggressive, and are not all that competitively priced. These are also good choices for what was described in that .5” lift mild cam range.
 
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