Would sea level drop if we.....

[QOTHL]

What about obese mermaids? I think THAT'S the real problem.

 

[Richard Cranium]

 

[DeltaV]

I'm thinking the lyrics for "Tales of Brave Ulysses" as sung by Cream no longer apply.



You thought the leaden winter
Would bring you down forever
But you rode upon a steamer
To the violence of the sun
And the colours of the sea
Bind your eyes with trembling mermaids
And you touch the distant beaches
With tales of brave Ulysses
How his naked ears were tortured
By the sirens sweetly singing
For the sparkling waves are calling you
To kiss their white laced lips
And you see a girl's brown body
Dancing through the turquoise
And her footprints make you follow
Where the sky loves the sea
And when your fingers find her
She drowns you in her body
Carving deep blue ripples
In the tissues of your mind
Tiny purple fishes
Run laughing through your fingers
And you want to take her with you
To the hard land of the winter
Her name is Aphrodite
And she rides a crimson shell
And you know you cannot leave her
For you touched the distant sands
With tales of brave Ulysses
How his naked ears were tortured
By the sirens sweetly singing
Tiny purple fishes
Run laughing through your fingers
And you want to take her with you
To the hard land of the winter

 

[wahya]

KiwiGTX, Kern Dog:
I just asked someone who is a veteran ships captain that has worked in oceans, seas, rivers, ALL over the world for over 40yrs. Someone who actually earns a living having to deal with ALL kinds of situations because lives and millions of dollars of equipment are at stake. This is not some hit and run "scientist" who gets paid based on the results of whoever is paying them/him/her.
He used to work in Belize. He says look at that city because it was built a few inches above sea level. Is it under water? He also says NYC harbor has a high tidal range which would make it a convenient location to use as an example to the uninformed that the levels are rising.

As for ice caps melting, they conveniently don't mention how they are building up on the other side. In the 70's the big scare was the oncoming mini ice age - in about 1100 -1500 yrs so we should be burning more fossil fuel to prevent it.

I just asked a friend who has been on the water (ocean) for about as long as I have. He has been a commercial fisherman for close to forty years. He has lived in his house in the Fla Keys for the same time. He said that in recent years, he sometimes has to drive through a foot of water just to get to the boat ramp. Just an observation.
As far as the ice caps building up on the other side. Other side of what?

 

[slepr1]

I've wondered why we don't desalinize water for use in areas that don't get enough rain water. If the green crowd is legitimately concerned with rising sea waters, wouldn't this negate some of the rise in the sea?

I've always wondered the same...

"There are approximately 16,000 operational desalination plants, located across 177 countries, which generate an estimated 95 million m3/day of freshwater. Micro desalination plants operate near almost every natural gas or fracking facility in the United States."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desalination_by_country

 

[mopar 3 B]

NY harbor is 12" higher than just 80 years ago. And rise is accelerating. It's that "acceleration" that's concerning.

Is it because of rising water levels of bodies of water. Or is the swamp it was built on finally sinking. Face it the whole eastern sea board was pretty much swamp land. How many layers of NY are there now? I know it more than one.

 

[QOTHL]

That's why I bought property 70' above sea level. Just in case.

Makes me wonder about people choosing to live in New Orleans...
I'm over 700ft above sea level and at least 10 hours away from the coast. Do not find it relaxing or peaceful to live near something that can rise up and wash away everything in it's path.

 

[Triplegreen500]

The whole "ice caps melting causing sea levels to rise" is WRONG.

Step 1.
Fill a glass in your kitchen with ice cubes.

Step 2.
Fill that same glass to the brim with tap water.

Step 3.
Let it sit on the counter until the ice melts, and observe the water level.

IT'S LOWER.

Ice is water mixed with air, and in frozen form it displaces MORE water than it will when it is simply water.

"Ocean levels rising", therefore, would be proof that the ice caps are GROWING.

 

[Cojohnso1]

The whole "ice caps melting causing sea levels to rise" is WRONG.

Step 1.
Fill a glass in your kitchen with ice cubes.

Step 2.
Fill that same glass to the brim with tap water.

Step 3.
Let it sit on the counter until the ice melts, and observe the water level.

IT'S LOWER.

Ice is water mixed with air, and in frozen form it displaces MORE water than it will when it is simply water.

"Ocean levels rising", therefore, would be proof that the ice caps are GROWING.

The bulk of ice is over land. Not sea. And that land ice is melting and sliding into sea. And it's accelerating. So take your same kitchen experiment and walk over and add handful of ice. Every couple hours. Two weeks from now? Add once every hour. Hope you got a towel?

 

[Jcharger]

That is correct for sea ice. The concern (just pointed out) is melting or sliding of ice off of places like Greenland or Antarctica. It won't be the ice from the parts of below sea level, but any ice that is on an ice cap above sea level poses a risk. The time frame is not fast, but also is not entirely known because some glaciers are moving quickly and the concern is that some ice caps may flow faster if their edges float up off of the grounding points that hold them back.

 

[Triplegreen500]

...and in the wintertime, the polar caps re-form...look up "annual Arctic sea ice minimum".

...and the earth still isn't as warm as it has been in the past....

Think of it this way. We are, say, currently in the month of May as far as global temperatures go. The weather for this month is generally warm...but not as warm as midsummer July and late summer August.

We have archaeological proof that there has been July and August "weather" (warm periods) in the past. It has been warmer before, than it is now - and it obviously didn't destroy the planet because...well...here we are.

We have a July and August every year...and it never destroys the planet.

And neither will our May weather currently...even if it eventually turns into July. Or, even...December.

Weather is cyclical.
Tides are cyclical.
Day/night is cyclical.
Seasons are cyclical.
Global temperature periods are cyclical.

The earth survives just fine.

It doesn't have to stay "just like this" in order to be "safe".

 

[QOTHL]

What about fat whales? Is there an increasing population of them? Maybe there is a big increase in all sea life and that is making sea levels rise. Maybe there is tons of fish poop on the bottom of the ocean and that's causing the rise in sea levels. Let's kill all the fish!

 

[Triplegreen500]

We aren't allowed to anymore.

It's "mean".

Personally, I thought there was a reason homo sapiens was at the top of the food chain....

 

[QOTHL]

 

[QOTHL]

Personally, I thought there was a reason homo sapiens was at the top of the food chain....

 

[Richard Cranium]

The bulk of ice is over land. Not sea. And that land ice is melting and sliding into sea. And it's accelerating.

Oh pa-lease. What's next on your Armageddon agenda, the rehash the starving polar bear fable?

 

[Cojohnso1]

...and in the wintertime, the polar caps re-form...look up "annual Arctic sea ice minimum".

...and the earth still isn't as warm as it has been in the past....

Think of it this way. We are, say, currently in the month of May as far as global temperatures go. The weather for this month is generally warm...but not as warm as midsummer July and late summer August.

We have archaeological proof that there has been July and August "weather" (warm periods) in the past. It has been warmer before, than it is now - and it obviously didn't destroy the planet because...well...here we are.

We have a July and August every year...and it never destroys the planet.

And neither will our May weather currently...even if it eventually turns into July. Or, even...December.

Weather is cyclical.
Tides are cyclical.
Day/night is cyclical.
Seasons are cyclical.
Global temperature periods are cyclical.

The earth survives just fine.

It doesn't have to stay "just like this" in order to be "safe".

I'm not sure your point? Your climate cycle is in thousands of years, if not tens of thousandsof years. What is being measured today? Is a rise in global temperatures measured in decades time scale. That 100x faster then ever measured. All data points to elevated greenhouse gas emissions as the culprit. And what tipped the scale was man's release of these gasses in the burning of fossil fuels. It's not the sole reason. But it's the wildcard to the climate equation.

Did we really think open burning of a fuel that was buried for millions of years would have no consequences? The gas release is really the long term accumulative effect. The heavy metals and complex toxic compounds have had a more immediate effect. Lead was so bad that needed immediate attention and elimination. (Or at least greatly reduced.) But that's just one element.

Classic car ownership. This really solves itself. Because our gas guzzling beasts are getting older? And more rare? They are driven much less. It's mass transportation and electricity generation that needs the technology boost. And it's here. The migration to a cleaner energy infrastructure and use will take time. But I believe first science then engineering will solve these issues. If we have the time.

 

[QOTHL]

Well, the trolls have arrived.

Krakatoa
Mt. Saint Hellens
Mount Mazama
Mt. Tambora
Laki
Ilogango
Mt.Unzen
Nevado del Ruiz

 

[Potts]

I've always wondered the same...

"There are approximately 16,000 operational desalination plants, located across 177 countries, which generate an estimated 95 million m3/day of freshwater. Micro desalination plants operate near almost every natural gas or fracking facility in the United States."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desalination_by_country

On a side note:
Aruba desalinates the Carribean waters during the process of brewing one of the finest tasting beers around...Balashi.

 

[Jcharger]

The lead just made me (probably my generation), the one that grew up in the 1960's to 1970's a little dumber than those that followed.