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[Cojohnso1]

Who gives a **** about "tighter timelines"? 70 degrees is still 70 degrees. It doesn't matter if it's a season of 70 degree weather, or that oddball January day where the sun is out and it hits 70 for a day. 70 degrees is 70 degrees.

Ice cores, tree rings, dinosaur bones and dirt samples don't measure things in days or weeks - they measure them in eras. Who's to say things didn't change daily back then, just like they do now? The only difference we have now is, we have the ability to track things on a tighter timeline.

I bet the residents of Pompeii would be happy to tell you what a difference "just a day" can make...

I don't know what to say? You believe what you want. Making false equivalency as some sort of justification? Yes. The facts suck. But hiding one's head in the sand with nonsense helps nothing.

I don't understand the nonsense cry?

 

[Richard Cranium]

As with all climate alarmists, they never want to talk about the 60 year record of predictions that never come true, but we're supposed to believe them now.

 

[Triplegreen500]

I don't know what to say? You believe what you want. Making false equivalency as some sort of justification? Yes. The facts suck. But hiding one's head in the sand with nonsense helps nothing.

I don't understand the nonsense cry?

What the facts do, is prove climate alarmism is a crock of ****.

Ice doesn't care "how fast" the temps rise (and fall - you're conveniently forgetting that part of the equation). It cares about the end result - the temperature.

And, the temperature (once again) is still lower now, than it has been multiple times in history. Which part of that is too difficult for you to comprehend?

it would be one thing if we were multiple degrees warmer now than the earth had been in the past.

But...we aren't.

And, the fact that we have your precious "tighter timeline" now means that the earth is still reacting (and equalizing) everything just like it always has. And, it's able to do it quickly enough to keep temps from "running away" and getting too hot.

Or, even as hot as they've been in the past.

Slow response and runaway temps would worry me.

Quick reactions and corrections tell me "the thermostat still works", and the system is still well within its capabilities.

 

[Jcharger]

So the facts are observations like this one from NASA, right?

Not the made up diagram you showed on the last page with no vertical axis and guesses about where the future is going that don't fit this, right?

And as far as climate predictions go, you might want to check out the old comparison I made between predictions made in the late 1980's/early 1990's from the IPCC report with some of the publicly available data. It stops and doesn't carry on to 2020, but you can look at the plot above and see if those predictions are not borne out.

So it looks to me like the data so far shows what the climate models have predicted. If they turn around and do a nosedive like in the plots you show, we should know very soon. If it doesn't nosedive in 2-3 years, then that diagram might need adjusting. It also might be pointed out that COVID stopped a lot of things so it might be the time for a slow down or nosedive.

Let's wait and see. The cold time on your plot is starting now. It can be a little test. If the test fails, will you change your mind? Even a little bit.

 

[Triplegreen500]

Not the made up diagram you showed on the last page with no vertical axis and guesses about where the future is going that don't fit this, right?

Do you read the posts you make? Or just stick **** up because it looks "official"?

"COMPARED TO THE 1951-1980 AVERAGE" - right there in your chart's legend.

If you look closely...the charts show exactly the same data. Your 0.0 baseline is based on - like it says in the label - the temp average from '51 to '80. If you look at my chart, yes, we are slightly warmer recently than we were between '51 and '80. Doesn't change the fact that we are still COOLER than we were during the Medieval Warm Period, and the Egyptian Exodus period. "Warmer than yesterday" isn't the same as "hotter than ever before".

And..."statistical tie for highest temp"? WTF is THAT? "Statistical" tie?? Temperature is an absolute. Either it's warm...or it isn't. 70 degrees is 70 degrees. 68 degrees is cooler than 70. EVERY TIME.

Also...my chart DOES have a vertical value set - for the timeframes where we have actual temperature information.

2014: 58.24 degrees F
1607: 54.3 degrees F
baseline value: 57.0 degrees F

It also might be pointed out that COVID stopped a lot of things so it might be the time for a slow down or nosedive.

Studies have already shown that pollution levels and CO2 levels are only minimally affected, including the "covid lockdown" timeframe. They show only a 7% global drop from the covid lockdowns. Perhaps we humans actually don't create all the "greenhouse gases" after all??

If the test fails, will you change your mind? Even a little bit.

Like when the "climate fear" people have a 0-41 record for predictions? Does that change your mind? Even a little bit?

 

[Cojohnso1]

Do you read the posts you make? Or just stick **** up because it looks "official"?

"COMPARED TO THE 1951-1980 AVERAGE" - right there in your chart's legend.

If you look closely...the charts show exactly the same data. Your 0.0 baseline is based on - like it says in the label - the temp average from '51 to '80. If you look at my chart, yes, we are slightly warmer recently than we were between '51 and '80. Doesn't change the fact that we are still COOLER than we were during the Medieval Warm Period, and the Egyptian Exodus period. "Warmer than yesterday" isn't the same as "hotter than ever before".

And..."statistical tie for highest temp"? WTF is THAT? "Statistical" tie?? Temperature is an absolute. Either it's warm...or it isn't. 70 degrees is 70 degrees. 68 degrees is cooler than 70. EVERY TIME.

Also...my chart DOES have a vertical value set - for the timeframes where we have actual temperature information.

2014: 58.24 degrees F
1607: 54.3 degrees F
baseline value: 57.0 degrees F



Studies have already shown that pollution levels and CO2 levels are only minimally affected, including the "covid lockdown" timeframe. They show only a 7% global drop from the covid lockdowns. Perhaps we humans actually don't create all the "greenhouse gases" after all??



Like when the "climate fear" people have a 0-41 record for predictions? Does that change your mind? Even a little bit?

0-41? Like DDT? Ozone? EPA? That was created because we killed one of the great lakes. And it used to CATCH ON FIRE! All of that fake? Small Pox, Polio vaccine? Diphtheria, meningococcal. Even the idiot crowd don't want that. Mercury, lead, regulation. Aluminum, titanium and magnesium are highly toxic I areasol form.

I am quoting from the scientific studies and agencies. You all are once again pulling crap from your ***. It's unbelievable.

 

[Triplegreen500]

0-41? Like DDT? Ozone? EPA? That was created because we killed one of the great lakes. And it used to CATCH ON FIRE! All of that fake? Small Pox, Polio vaccine? Diphtheria, meningococcal. Even the idiot crowd don't want that. Mercury, lead, regulation. Aluminum, titanium and magnesium are highly toxic I areasol form.

I am quoting from the scientific studies and agencies. You all are once again pulling crap from your ***. It's unbelievable.

Nope, I'm talking about the climate debate, where we've had "a new ice age" from the 70s, all the way through "global warming" (also a fail), up to the current "climate change" - so they don't have to specify HOW we're going to die, they can just parrot gloom and doom to scare everyone.

YEP. Those models....they're accurate, all right!!!

 

[Fran Blacker]

First weather satellite was launched in 1960. Where did NASA get there numbers before? Can you compare satellite data and ground data? NASA has fudged numbers before.

 

[Triplegreen500]

First weather satellite was launched in 1960. Where did NASA get there numbers before? Can you compare satellite data and ground data? NASA has fudged numbers before.

If you're talking about this graph:

it clearly starts just before 1980....

If you just have an open question about "where did NASA get numbers before the first satellite went up", well...the same place all of us got them. Terrestrial records. Weather reports. Tracking data. Almanac records. Just because it says "NASA" doesn't mean it has to come from space...

 

[Ironbuilt]

I'm thinking the lyrics for "Tales of Brave Ulysses" as sung by Cream no longer apply.



You thought the leaden winter
Would bring you down forever
But you rode upon a steamer
To the violence of the sun
And the colours of the sea
Bind your eyes with trembling mermaids
And you touch the distant beaches
With tales of brave Ulysses
How his naked ears were tortured
By the sirens sweetly singing
For the sparkling waves are calling you
To kiss their white laced lips
And you see a girl's brown body
Dancing through the turquoise
And her footprints make you follow
Where the sky loves the sea
And when your fingers find her
She drowns you in her body
Carving deep blue ripples
In the tissues of your mind
Tiny purple fishes
Run laughing through your fingers
And you want to take her with you
To the hard land of the winter
Her name is Aphrodite
And she rides a crimson shell
And you know you cannot leave her
For you touched the distant sands
With tales of brave Ulysses
How his naked ears were tortured
By the sirens sweetly singing
Tiny purple fishes
Run laughing through your fingers
And you want to take her with you
To the hard land of the winter

GREAT SONG!!

 

[Ironbuilt]

Don't bother arguing with this idiot @Cojohnso1 AKA Steve from Minnesota!!!
Remember, he voted for the terrorist Omar!! He's an American TRAITOR!!!

 

[Fran Blacker]

Now where do they get temps on land. Weather stations (not TWC) that were built 70 years ago or more. Many have been over taken by cities an temps at those stations are in the general area with concrete and asphalt. I'm not saying that temps haven't gone up but not as bad as the funded weather researchers say. The founder of TWC I believe has doubts about climate change. There is a lot to be said about "follow the money".

 

[Ironbuilt]

Now where do they get temps on land. Weather stations (not TWC) that were built 70 years ago or more. Many have been over taken by cities an temps at those stations are in the general area with concrete and asphalt. I'm not saying that temps have gone up but not as bad as the funded weather researchers say. The founder of TWC I believe has doubts about climate change. There is a lot to be said about "follow the money".

TWC is the CNN of weather.

 

[DeltaV]

GREAT SONG!!

 

[Ironbuilt]

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[DeltaV]

Now where do they get temps on land. Weather stations (not TWC) that were built 70 years ago or more. Many have been over taken by cities an temps at those stations are in the general area with concrete and asphalt. I'm not saying that temps have gone up but not as bad as the funded weather researchers say. The founder of TWC I believe has doubts about climate change. There is a lot to be said about "follow the money".

 

[Cojohnso1]

TWC is the CNN of weather.

Iron. They let you out? Or was that one of your NC buds in DC? Thought for sure it was you?

 

[DeltaV]

 

[Ironbuilt]

Iron. They let you out? Or was that one of your NC buds in DC? Thought for sure it was you?

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Funny how you ignore post # 151
Did you vote for the terrorist Omar?

 

[Cojohnso1]

Funny how you ignore post # 151
Did you vote for the terrorist Omar?

She is in Minneapolis district. For God's sake. At least know what you are talking about? (Although in fairness. I was pretty sure that bomber dude wasn't you.)