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new engine in...running hot.

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The motor is in, tuned and running great...BUT the temp gauge is at 200-205 after driving for like 10 minutes, not idling..city driving. Put a 160 thermo in, and there is no shroud.
I have a 26" Champion Aluminum radiator. Will a stock shroud fit? it has 4 attachment holes...
or do i invest in aux fans?
 
Did you start with a 180 stat?
 
before the engine blew..it never ran above 195 and had no thermostat. we started with a 195 and it went up to 220-230.. running a mixture of 50/50 and water and put in a 160 stat.
maybe some air pockets?
 
What changes were made on the rebuild?
 
I had a problem with air pockets a couple of weeks ago and the car would get hot quick. I had to flush the system though as it had been sitting a long time. Cleaned it up let it run until everything was up to temp and then let it run for another 5 minutes seeing it "burp" itself a few times, put the cap back on and no problems yet.
 
air pockets in the system....when cold, jack up the front end or park it on a hill, the bigger the hill the better...remove the rad cap, start engine...run at idle for a few minutes, then rev it to around 2000-2500rpm...keep topping off the radiator as it "burps" the air pockets out of the system...it will finally start just pouring nothing but straight coolant out of radiator....

you should have a air pocket free cooling system after this....not saying this is your overheating problem, just eliminating a possible cause...
 
Why is cooling such a mystery?

First off, and I'm not sure if you are implying this by your post, but a lower rated thermostat has nothing to do with what temp your car will operate at. You should be running a good quality 180 or 195 degree thermostat, such as a Robert Shaw.

Second, 200/205 is really not an insane operating temp. Did you change anything with the motor? Add compression? Change cam? Timing changes and a lean AF mix can certainly bump you those few degrees. If you have a newer MP distributor with the Mallory guts you need to tweak it a bit.

Are your hoses passing coolant, not collapsing, and all about the same temp to the touch?

I don't know why everyone insists on running aluminum radiators, but I see a whole lot of posts from people with cooling issues that start out with a "new aluminum radiator." The stock stuff works; when you can, run it.

Ok, how do we fix it. Take the car out and see what happens when you drive on the highway. After about 40mph the fan isn't doing much. If you're doing 50 or so for several minutes and still running hot then you know you have an issue that is not fan related. If the temp DOES drop, then you know that your problem can probably be fixed with, first, properly sealing the rad to the body, possibly adding a shroud, and running a proper fan. What kind of fan are you running? Is it positioned correctly in relation to the radiator? Is it a thermo-clutch type fan, and does it operate properly? Have you changed pulley sizes? Have you changed water pumps, or water pump housings?

Pushing more coolant faster through deeper radiators is not always a cure for cooling issues. In fact, it usually causes a lot of problems. The coolant needs to circulate at an optimum rate to guarantee that it actually has a chance to dissapate heat through the radiator, too fast and it won't work. You can actually also have too deep a radiator, whereas the air flowing through will reheat the coolant.

One more thought for you, but if you installed a new thermo sensor as part of the rebuild, a new harness, new gauge, or simply unblocked a lot of 40+ year old crud from the system, it's possible that your car ALWAYS ran at that temp.

Start off simple, add some water wetter (it DOES work) and burp the system. Review what I wrote and see if you can spot the problem, if it still exists. AND, if the engine does not run hot enough to overheat (actually gushing coolant) or cause detonation/knocking, then it really isn't running hot or overheating, it's just running hotter then what you are used to seeing.
 
Good advice previous post. My 440 ran up to 205 on the very first drive w/new motor. Now runs cool with a bump depending on the ambient.

I wouldn't run mine without the following-
Green coolant, 180 Napa Superstat, Mancini Billet housing, factory clutch fan, 26" Ma Mopar copper radiator, shroud. Unless you have a special need 700 hp setup, the factory stuff works fine. Mine is about 415 RWHP Chassis Dyno.
 
Not to mention a new motor will run hotter than usual until broken in-everything's tight and will take a little time to wear in. Same reason power increases as time goes on-reduced friction and better ring seating-to a point of course.
 
thanks to all replies...i actually toned down the cam..swapped out the torque converter, not sure that matters.
heads are the same as is everything else..the water pump is same from original motor. fan is same fan from before rebuild..radiator is same from before build. i will do the following..get on the highway- add water wetter-park on hill and burp her-and change water temp guage (aftermarket)..It's jumping up in temps after running for about 5 min.
 
thanks to all replies...i actually toned down the cam..swapped out the torque converter, not sure that matters.
heads are the same as is everything else..the water pump is same from original motor. fan is same fan from before rebuild..radiator is same from before build. i will do the following..get on the highway- add water wetter-park on hill and burp her-and change water temp guage (aftermarket)..It's jumping up in temps after running for about 5 min.


that right there is a sign of air pockets in the system....bleed it out before buying any new parts....
 
so...i jacked up front end and ran for a while w/cap off, then rev'd up to 2500, overflow came out and was circulating..but did not burp. it stayed at about 190..drove it on 50mph road for about 15 min. Temp rose to about 205-10, until i hit some cars in front of me, and it crept quickly to 220...got it home at 230 degrees..it did seem to drop a few degrees at highway speeds..as i ran it..it seemed to miss and backfire out of the exhaust. rear plug wire keeps popping off.
any other suggestions?
 
If it's dropping at highway speeds then you need to look at radiator sealing/shroud and your fan/water pump/pulley setup. If it can cool to 205/210 on the highway then it should be able to do about the same cruising if everything is right.
 
I recently had the same issue with a six pack car. just by connecting my vacuum advance it cooled the engine a little more than 5 Deg. and after adjusting timing with the vacuum gauge, it runs at 195 deg with a 195 thermostat. My 2 cents
 
X2 on the shroud! I adapted a Mancini big-block(radiator) shroud to my 318 rad,and it dropped my temps 15 degrees. Running re-cored radiator,60/40 mix,160 stat,and a 6-blade fixed fan. Ran it last week in 95-100 degree temps,and never saw over 190 on the temp gauge.
 
the driver side last plug boot, which isn't touching the header melted. It is getn hot under there. I remember when we started it for the 1st time, while we were setting the timing, it was getting dark out, and the headers were so hot they were glowing red..is that normal?
 
the driver side last plug boot, which isn't touching the header melted. It is getn hot under there. I remember when we started it for the 1st time, while we were setting the timing, it was getting dark out, and the headers were so hot they were glowing red..is that normal?

No! If they are all glowing then I would say the carb is running lean, if one or two are glowing then intake has a vacuum leak at those cylinders.
 
Headers will glow under power, but shouldn't at idle. I agree with the lean diagnosis, fatten up the carb and advance the timing a bit-retarded motors run hot-but that would mean Chev small blocks should run at about 1300 degrees. Never mind....
 
the radiator was in the car when purchased..it is an aluminum 26 inch "champion" brand. never flow tested/cleaned..was cooling fine before motor rebuild. but a flush can't hurt. i will try that on friday when off work.
 
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