Time (manhours) to pull and replace 440 engine

[ibsorgn]

Because I'm too old or Lazy, take your pick, I'm looking at hiring a mechanic to pull and replace my 440 in my 72 Satellite. Would like a conservative estimate on the amount of time it would take to pull the motor and then replace it with another 440 based motor. You should assume the mechanic is a qualified hardworking person with his own tools and a cherry picker. Trans stays.

 

[Coyoteduster]

It's been a while since I've done it, and albeit never a '72 satellite, but I would think no more than 8 to 10 hours tops.

 

[Cornpatch MO]

It also depends on how much of the parts need to be transferred from one engine to the other. ie: pulleys, brackets, pumps, intakes, carb, exhaust manifolds,etc. .............................MO

 

[Photon440]

It took me three hours to pull my 440 last fall, haven't put it back in. Transmission was already out, and I torched off the exhaust at the manifold so take that into account. I wasn't rushing it, and also wasn't busy labeling all the hoses and wires. Also the rad was already out. None of the mount bolts were stuck, if I knew what I was doing it would have been under two hours.

Not pulling your transmission means it will need to be blocked up and the engine will have to come forward a few inches. Have to be careful to keep things straight, whether clutch or torque convertor, to avoid bending parts.

 

[Banzaiii67]

Hold the phones... there is a monumental difference in swapping out a motor and making it running vehicle.

 

[Coyoteduster]

Well it isn't much good if it doesn't run. :no:

 

[WileE]

In our garage, we charged 8 hrs for a simple swap, no A/C & with A/T. Anything else is extra,& that refers to parts transfers and/or replacements, linkage adjustments, fuel line fabrication, plugs,oil,coolant, etc,etc,etc. So, as correctly just noted, it depends on the extent of the "swap".

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Well it isn't much good if it doesn't run. :no:

Some people wanted to do the rest of the work on their own to save some coin; they just needed the heavy work done.

 

[Coyoteduster]

In our garage, we charged 8 hrs for a simple swap, no A/C & with A/T. Anything else is extra,& that refers to parts transfers and/or replacements, linkage adjustments, fuel line fabrication, plugs,oil,coolant, etc,etc,etc. So, as correctly just noted, it depends on the extent of the "swap".

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Some people wanted to do the rest of the work on their own to save some coin; they just needed the heavy work done.

Gotcha. ;) Just curious, I always prefer to pull engine and trans together, then swap the trans while out on the floor. A lot of guys claim that is too much work and they leave the tranny in the car, your thoughts?

 

[barnfind]

Expect a bit more time for rusted/busted bolts especially with the exhaust. AC, p/s will add time. Getting a new front pump trans seal or clutch (if manual)while the engine is out? Is the new engine rebuilt, solid runner, or used can also make a difference?

 

[WileE]

Gotcha. ;) Just curious, I always prefer to pull engine and trans together, then swap the trans while out on the floor. A lot of guys claim that is too much work and they leave the tranny in the car, your thoughts?

we preferred to lower the whole kit-n-kaboodle with the kframe, the best way. But for an A/T car, we'd leave the trans in for an economy swap. I don't recall doing a stick car this way, cause usually we'd do the clutch as well.

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Expect a bit more time for rusted/busted bolts especially with the exhaust. AC, p/s will add time. Getting a new front pump trans seal or clutch (if manual)while the engine is out? Is the new engine rebuilt, solid runner, or used can also make a difference?

exactly... these are the "etc , etc.." items. Depends on the circumstances & what the customer wants done.

 

[terzmo]

4 hours out....3 to 3.5 in plus tuning ....

 

[Coyoteduster]

Right on, if you have a lift dropping it out the bottom is the way to go. :headbang:

 

[ibsorgn]

Work is limited to pulling the current engine and leaving the trans in place. I will pull the pulleys and accessories etc and clean/replace and mount on new motor. New motor will have been tuned on the dyno and will be a running motor. New motor will be reinstall with electric and fuel connected. Obviously radiator. steering, battery etc will be remounted. If the plumbing and wiring are connected motor should fire up. Knock on wood.
I assumed it would be around 10 hours total but who knows these days. That's why I ask! Forgot to mention, I'm insisting that the work be done in my garage as I want to avoid having the car being pulled back and forth and/or setting around as it has just been painted. Most I have ask are wanting about $500.

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In our garage, we charged 8 hrs for a simple swap, no A/C & with A/T. Anything else is extra,& that refers to parts transfers and/or replacements, linkage adjustments, fuel line fabrication, plugs,oil,coolant, etc,etc,etc. So, as correctly just noted, it depends on the extent of the "swap".

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Some people wanted to do the rest of the work on their own to save some coin; they just needed the heavy work done.

That is exactly what I'm looking for the "Heavy Work" So what would be your charge for the Heavy work?

 

[Coyoteduster]

Not to hijack your thread, but it reminded of how easy it was to swap engines in our boats. We could swap out and fire the back-up engine in less than 15 minutes. :headbang:

 

[WileE]

Work is limited to pulling the current engine and leaving the trans in place. I will pull the pulleys and accessories etc and clean/replace and mount on new motor. New motor will have been tuned on the dyno and will be a running motor. New motor will be reinstall with electric and fuel connected. Obviously radiator. steering, battery etc will be remounted. If the plumbing and wiring are connected motor should fire up. Knock on wood.
I assumed it would be around 10 hours total but who knows these days. That's why I ask! Forgot to mention, I'm insisting that the work be done in my garage as I want to avoid having the car being pulled back and forth and/or setting around as it has just been painted. Most I have ask are wanting about $500.

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That is exactly what I'm looking for the "Heavy Work" So what would be your charge for the Heavy work?

see my earlier post, but the quotes you got are about right

 

[idrivemopar]

What's wrong with the 440 in your 72? Is it original to the car and if so are you going to rebuild it and put it back in later? I'm just a stickler for keep original stuff with the car that is all. Remember if its a 72 era 440, not all motors are created equal, one from 73 or later may have much less horsepower.

 

[ibsorgn]

What's wrong with the 440 in your 72? Is it original to the car and if so are you going to rebuild it and put it back in later? I'm just a stickler for keep original stuff with the car that is all. Remember if its a 72 era 440, not all motors are created equal, one from 73 or later may have much less horsepower.[/QUOTE

I'm replacing with a 526. The 440 was a racing engine and was not original to the car. I believe it was 318 when new.

 

[Bruzilla]

Most shops around here just charge a flat rate of $500-$600 to swap engines.

 

[idrivemopar]

What's wrong with the 440 in your 72? Is it original to the car and if so are you going to rebuild it and put it back in later? I'm just a stickler for keep original stuff with the car that is all. Remember if its a 72 era 440, not all motors are created equal, one from 73 or later may have much less horsepower.[/QUOTE

I'm replacing with a 526. The 440 was a racing engine and was not original to the car. I believe it was 318 when new.

Well, it should run like a striped assed ape then! LOL Cool!

 

[ibsorgn]

Well, it should run like a striped assed ape then! LOL Cool!

Colorado! Lived up and down the front range most of my life. Left back in 97 for New England and settled in Cantuckee in 08. Mopars aren't represented very well here in the south central part of the state and I can't remember ever seeing a 72 Satellite at our http://somernitescruise.org/ car shows, however we do have Mopar month in May. Somerset gets over a 1000 cars at the shows and we have had times where it pushed 2000. I'm wanting my 72 to standout so I decided that maybe a 500ci+ motor might help. Didn't care too much about HP but wanted big torque numbers down low so I called on CME to build me a big stump puller. Should have the motor in late June.