Dibbons
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Re: Collector car market prices, personally I would not subtract 5% for a 1972 RR just because it is equipped with a small block 340, just my opinion.
Sebring vs Roadrunner Huge Value Difference!
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Evoking
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The whole getting sideways over others caring about investment or appreciation is silly to me. Reminds me of how SOME of my neighbors are trying to battle their higher county tax appraisal. I for one WANT my home to go up. While the county appraisal is almost always very conservative compared to real values - people do look there too. An extra $5k-$10k annually is a drop in the pan compared to an extra couple hundred K!
Point is that EVERYONE benefits as classics gradually rise. None of these cars are being made anymore. So even the hobbyist will see his project remain the same value or rise. Whether he re-coops all his investment or not is a different topic. But at least these cars aren't dropping like the a modern car does. And if you are modding or restoring one you WANT to see your same model have a very high upside.
The shoppers DON'T want prices to rise. But owners (which all of you are) SHOULD want prices to rise!
Point is that EVERYONE benefits as classics gradually rise. None of these cars are being made anymore. So even the hobbyist will see his project remain the same value or rise. Whether he re-coops all his investment or not is a different topic. But at least these cars aren't dropping like the a modern car does. And if you are modding or restoring one you WANT to see your same model have a very high upside.
The shoppers DON'T want prices to rise. But owners (which all of you are) SHOULD want prices to rise!
vintage chromoly
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Yeah, put me down for one of those A-12 cars that are tanking in value. 
Can someone please post some links to these musclecars that are tanking. There are several im interested in for next to nothing!
Can someone please post some links to these musclecars that are tanking. There are several im interested in for next to nothing!
Exactly, I wouldn't hesitate to build a Sebring and as mentioned your free to have fun with no worries of screwing up the value.
Not me, I buy them to beat on them with no intention of selling but that's just me.
Not entirely true, mine is a Charger SE 318 totally customized and I've already been offered $45,000 (more than I have in it). That being said it's not for sale and I garantee I have waaaaaaay more fun than the collector does. At the end of the day if you can't beat on it I don't want it!
Tastefully customized still brings a pretty penny but yes the audience may shrink.
a one time offer hardly means much
when the money changes hands for that amount then it counts..
there are those thinking these cars values are tanking in the same thread
where 318 cars are getting v code money. lol
when the money changes hands for that amount then it counts..
there are those thinking these cars values are tanking in the same thread
where 318 cars are getting v code money. lol
There are some issues with that guide, and I agree contrary to what might seem like a logical conclusion, that 340 cars are more desirable than 400 cars, despite the recent near debunking of the 400 lo-po smog stigma. 340 has the same mystique as 327 or 351c.
That said, I find it a much more realistic estimation than other sources.
...and don't get me started on early C2 corvettes, that market is the next to die off, am I right?
But seriously, take the C3 vette and for a while the 73-81 trans-am/z 28 those cars literally could be given away, and within the last 3 years are on the rise.
That said, I find it a much more realistic estimation than other sources.
...and don't get me started on early C2 corvettes, that market is the next to die off, am I right?
But seriously, take the C3 vette and for a while the 73-81 trans-am/z 28 those cars literally could be given away, and within the last 3 years are on the rise.
...and then you have anomalies-
http://www.ebay.com/itm/172485911824?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
...and if you're contemplating a 40K plus build of a Sebring (or 60K RR), you probably already know you're burning your money anyway.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/172485911824?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
...and if you're contemplating a 40K plus build of a Sebring (or 60K RR), you probably already know you're burning your money anyway.
Dibbons
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Here's a $33,995.00 1972 Plymouth Satellite Sebring Plus for sale. Advertised as a numbers matching 400. Looking at the VIN, the motor code is "M" (400 two-barrel). The code for a 400 four-barrel would have been "P". On the video, the engine to me sounds kinda noisy and crappy under the hood, but maybe that is just because of the headers and unsilenced air cleaner. It advertises a factory tach but shows an 8000 RPM dial. My parents factory new 1971 Road Runner had a 7000 RPM tach, so I believe the 8000 version is not factory at all. Don't know if the trunk lid had that Sebring plus logo on it from the factory, obviously the header emblem is a 1971 version, which is what I will use on my '72 SSP also:
http://www.streetsideclassics.com/vehicles/1749-dfw/1972-plymouth-satellite-sebring-plus
http://www.streetsideclassics.com/vehicles/1749-dfw/1972-plymouth-satellite-sebring-plus
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69Coronetrt
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"Offered" and "here's a check" are two different things. When you get a check, my statement will be false.
I've been offered a left testicle for mine. I turned it down. I have one already.
Bruzilla
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No comparison there.
There were only a handful of those cars ever made, and fewer that survived. They were hand made and not mass produced. Our cars are a totally different market. Thousands of our cars that should have been crushed or scrapped decades ago were saved because of the investors skewing the market. This has created a situation where there are far more cars than there should be, and as buyers gray out there aren't enough younguns to take our place.
Bruzilla
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The problem with your view is the impact of investors. Over a normal arc, cars are made, they change hands two or three times, and they are scrapped or crushed. About half survive the first 8-10 years, and about a quarter survive 10-15 years, and by the time they reach the "classic" age there are generally enough left to satisfy the market and as folks who have an emotional attachment pass away, the cars are getting wrecked or parted out so there is a rough balance in attrition rates that keep prices trending upwards.
That model totally went out the window starting in 1987 when stock market issues starting driving investors to collector cars. They drove prices up, which drove other enthusiasts and investors to start grabbing them up. Thousands of cars that should have been crushed were restored instead. Then came 2008, gold took off like a rocket, and investors started selling off their cars and buying gold. Prices have been falling ever since and will continue to fall as there are a glut of these cars on the market and their attrition rates are much lower than those of the folks who will pay top $$$ for them.
I think the price of quality original cars is only going up and if the economy
gets better it will climb even much higher.
the thing is there might be a lot of cars out there for sale and such
but the quality original ones are getting fewer and further between.
that is what real collectors will step up and pay for
most that is out there is cobbed up junk and that is the stuff
that will never get above a certian level.
ie 318 car with a twin turbo 440 and such.
gets better it will climb even much higher.
the thing is there might be a lot of cars out there for sale and such
but the quality original ones are getting fewer and further between.
that is what real collectors will step up and pay for
most that is out there is cobbed up junk and that is the stuff
that will never get above a certian level.
ie 318 car with a twin turbo 440 and such.
there's a thread on here somewhere about this car
me too
there actually quite rare ,only 1681 340 roadrunners made in 1971 438 4 speed 1243 auto
69Coronetrt
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I cringe ever time someone finds an untouched, or "survivor" Coronet, Charger or Satellite and HAS to make it a tribute, clone, wanna be Super Bee, R\T or RR.
Yep. It lasted this long and other people took care of it just waiting for you to make it "yours".
me too
i have a 4 speed gk6 that came with burnt o gut buckets,console,hood blinkers and power windows
it had to be ordered out that way
so i doubt there were many like it.
its missing its f tag or it would be going back that way..
its a open canvas to me..
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