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Maddogmike1001

Maddogmike1001

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Just wondering what you guys think of reproduction fender tags that are not meant to fool anyone but are just for car show purpose.
Anyone with even a bit of knowledge is not fooled by a bogus tag so deception should not even come into play .
So don't get all upset

My car lost its tag sometime ago and it has been cloned to look like a super stock car now.
the paint and the trim level have been changed and I just wanted to show the changes along with a few codes that where never used like MAX WEDGE on the top line and using the birthdate of my dad in the sequence number .
Like I said its not to fool someone who would be interested in buying the car just for my friends and myself
 
The problem is for every one "honest" person there are X number dishonest people......

I get your idea though.....
 
I have no issue with the repo tag, I had one done for my Superbird as someone removed it back in time to do an inner fender repair after the car was hit in the left front. That said I had 1.5 broadcast sheets and the car history to get same done correctly.

Issue with doing what you're considering is that years down the road, when that tags still there, the game will change.
 
moparnation74 said:
The problem is for every one "honest" person there are X number dishonest people......

I get your idea though.....
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You are correct there are a lot of low life's out there ( try to buy a 1969 Camaro).But unless you want to commit a felony can't change the VIN.and a serious guy looking for a classic car will run the numbers before buying any car. And unlike GM the Chrysler VIN tells it all...
 
Maddogmike1001 said:
You are correct there are a lot of low life's out there ( try to buy a 1969 Camaro).But unless you want to commit a felony can't change the VIN.and a serious guy looking for a classic car will run the numbers before buying any car. And unlike GM the Chrysler VIN tells it all...
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The VIN thing.....VIN tags have been done more than you can imagine....Not long ago a particular VIN tag, FT and BS was plastered and made for a car......Furthermore the VIN was approved and titled legally......Some get caught and some dont....the ones that got caught was after someone purchased the car typically...Most had an expert look over the cars.....

So you will not win this debate....Fraud is out there and buyers of these frauds have been deceived and monies lost. Think about the 70 six pack charger w/AC built, tagged and sold at mecum.....I ran into a guy selling an A12 car I was interested with a repro FT and a restamp vin on a block......I was interested in the car but after having three experts including me scour it...2 of of deemed it was a restamp....What if I just went with the one that didn't think that? The car sold and now a guy thinks he has a matching A12......
 
My Satellite's build date is actually my birthday.

Sometimes Murphy works for you.
 
There's a special place in auto enthusiast hell for those who fake VIN's, fender tags and the like.
 
Just for giggles and grins. I love to see the expressions as people read this. LOL.

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Personally I don't have a problem with a repro FT, however the VIN is illegal to repro so there is that. It seems the argument is that a repro FT could be made to say a car came with stuff it didn't, however if everything on the tag is present on the car and there is no way to determine otherwise, then I do not see an issue. It isn't like the tag itself makes it a hemi car or a 6 pack car. Conversely, say you are a looking at car that has X options but no tag, then I suspect some would say its worth less.
 
70chall440 said:
Personally I don't have a problem with a repro FT, however the VIN is illegal to repro so there is that. It seems the argument is that a repro FT could be made to say a car came with stuff it didn't, however if everything on the tag is present on the car and there is no way to determine otherwise, then I do not see an issue. It isn't like the tag itself makes it a hemi car or a 6 pack car. Conversely, say you are a looking at car that has X options but no tag, then I suspect some would say its worth less.
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So you add options to a car then have a tag made to claim it came on the car? I have a big problem with that. If the tag is gone then the tag is gone. You shouldnt have bought a car without a tag if it is important enough to go have a fake made.
There are some cars that truly came loaded with options and are special. The original VIN tag, fender tag and build sheet are crucial to the documentation. Falsifying those documents should be a crime.

If you want to make a tag with some funny saying to get a laugh i see no problem. Putting any kind of factory codes on it should not be allowed.
 
Okay fellas, I hope anyone reading this would do their due diligence and at least go to the Chrysler heritage site and get the IBM card /build info before they bought a classic Mopar. You cannot help if someone changes the VIN number on a car, if that happens unless you know where all the hidden partial Vin codes are you're kind of screwed.
We are blessed being Mopar owners because equipment verification is much easier than most other car makes. If we were having this discussion about a 69 Camaro I would be pissed off at people changing the cowl tag because that's absolutely the only way you can tell what the car was when it left the factory floor unless you have the protecto plate.( and fellows build sheets don't mean **** because they're way too easy to reproduce)
Let's face it if you're knowledgeable enough to understand what the codes mean on the fender tag you should have the knowledge to at least read the VIN and get some information from it.

I think we're all being a little weird about the fender tag issue. The bottom line is no one is going to fall for a doctored Fender tag when they shell out big bucks for a car. And if you are naive enough to fall for that well you know what P T Barnum said.
 
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I was 5 when it was built.
 
And to be honest with you fellas, Mopar guys are a little strange let me give you an example if one is needed. I have a 1968 Roadrunner as far as I know it's original minus a few things(power brakes) I've had guys walk across a parking lot at a show and not even look at my car and go right to that damn Fender tag and then point out that something under the hood wasn't kosher and walk away shaking their heads completely discounting the rest of the car. These are the same guys that you see driving away from the show in their minivan. You got to love it
 
Maddogmike1001 said:
Okay fellas, I hope anyone reading this would do their due diligence and at least go to the Chrysler heritage site and get the IBM card /build info before they bought a classic Mopar. You cannot help if someone changes the VIN number on a car, if that happens unless you know where all the hidden partial Vin codes are you're kind of screwed.
We are blessed being Mopar owners because equipment verification is much easier than most other car makes. If we were having this discussion about a 69 Camaro I would be pissed off at people changing the cowl tag because that's absolutely the only way you can tell what the car was when it left the factory floor unless you have the protecto plate.( and fellows build sheets don't mean **** because they're way too easy to reproduce)
Let's face it if you're knowledgeable enough to understand what the codes mean on the fender tag you should have the knowledge to at least read the VIN and get some information from it.

I think we're all being a little weird about the fender tag issue. The bottom line is no one is going to fall for a doctored Fender tag when they shell out big bucks for a car. And if you are naive enough to fall for that well you know what P T Barnum said.
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We know what the VIN tag tells us. We know the hidden partial VIN/SO #s. We know what the fender tag codes mean. We know what the build sheet codes mean. Not everyone does and people gave gotten burned by fake documentation. And yes there have been big dollar fakes.
 
Maddogmike1001 said:
And to be honest with you fellas, Mopar guys are a little strange let me give you an example if one is needed. I have a 1968 Roadrunner as far as I know it's original minus a few things(power brakes) I've had guys walk across a parking lot at a show and not even look at my car and go right to that damn Fender tag and then point out that something under the hood wasn't kosher and walk away shaking their heads completely discounting the rest of the car. These are the same guys that you see driving away from the show in their minivan. You got to love it
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Yeah I'm with you there... a friend and I took his original survivor 68 Hemi Roadrunner to a Mopar show about 12 years ago.. and guys actually complained 'oh too bad it's just a column shift auto car'..This is a car that he bought brand new back in 1967, and drove it cross-country when he relocated here in the 70s and continued to drive the car regularly...driven and properly cared for. Everything in fantastic condition for it's age and some neat stories to go with it...jealousy's a powerful thing..
But back to the fender tag issue, PP1RT nailed it above...Fake tags do fool some people as not everybody knows better..
 
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