so I take my Car to get Inspected today

NJRR said:

i red x'd you, explanation followed.

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Come up with a better one
25 years will be up soon on the 95
And it wont be exempt..

The pushbutton transmission in my 62 had the guy at Big O Tire stymied until I showed him how it worked.

Why are there three pedals? I have only two feet!

When I lived in Maryland they wanted to run my '87 Dodge pickup on the treadmill. I asked what happened to just doing the tailpipe test. No answer. I told them you don't want to run this truck on the treadmill, you'll probably break something. (/6 with a three speed)

The boy driving it on the treadmill locked up the shifter going from first to second. Yep, I went off on them. I had them push it out of the bay so I could unlock the shifter. The manager said just do the tailpipe test so he can go. What a big scam in the first place.

There is a meme of a millenial anti-theft device.


It shows a 5sp stickshift shift knob pattern.

the mississippi madman said:

I disagree, if he played xbox he would use this for driving games and know how to drive a stickView attachment 881865

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That is what we bought my youngest son for Christmas. Hoping it will result in real world experience when he drives a stick shift..

flypaper said:

It's not a 25 year cutoff
Where does it say that?
It's a obd1 and obd2 cutoff
Due to the reason I said above
They will still be inspecting the 95
In the coming years
It is not 25 year exempt from inspection

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Actually, it's a 24 year cutoff. It's 2019, anything from 1995 or older is exempt, 2019-1995 =24. " The following vehicles are exempt from inspection requirements (N.J.A.C. 13:20-7.2): Gasoline powered vehicles registered passenger, model year 1995 & older with a GVWR 8,500 pounds or less"

It says nothing about an OBD1 or OBD2 cutoff. Show me where it mentions that.

no inspection stickers for me in about 9 years here in Mass.

since they would not allow me to drive into the bay, i said the hell with it.

NJRR said:

Actually, it's a 24 year cutoff. It's 2019, anything from 1995 or older is exempt, 2019-1995 =24. " The following vehicles are exempt from inspection requirements (N.J.A.C. 13:20-7.2): Gasoline powered vehicles registered passenger, model year 1995 & older with a GVWR 8,500 pounds or less"

It says nothing about an OBD1 or OBD2 cutoff. Show me where it mentions that.

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So you are telling me in 2 years
My 95 will be exempt from inspection?
Making your 25 year cut off?
I believe that is wrong info
Here is a hint
95 was the first year for obd2
They didn't pull the year 1995 out of their ***
When they exempted cars
For a 24year limit on inspections
That you are implying
The obd1 and older equipment
Testing machines became too expensive to
Maintain
Google will be your friend..
That info isnt in the law..
In 5 years they will still be testing '95 model year cars
There is no 25 year rule
It is a cutoff that doesn't change
Until they change it again.

Uh...he never said there was a 25 year rule. Forget that.
He quoted the statute which states 1995 and older and registered as a passenger vehicle are exempt.
It doesn't state OBD I or II.
The determining factor is 1995 and older, registered for passenger use.

QuickBpBp said:

That is what we bought my youngest son for Christmas. Hoping it will result in real world experience when he drives a stick shift..

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I have been trying to get my 17 yo niece
At it.
She is too intimidated so far

Georgia doesn't have safety inspections



Georgia only has emissions inspections in and around Atlanta (13 counties).

NJRR said:

Actually, it's a 24 year cutoff. It's 2019, anything from 1995 or older is exempt, 2019-1995 =24. " The following vehicles are exempt from inspection requirements (N.J.A.C. 13:20-7.2): Gasoline powered vehicles registered passenger, model year 1995 & older with a GVWR 8,500 pounds or less"

It says nothing about an OBD1 or OBD2 cutoff. Show me where it mentions that.

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New Jersey Drops Emissions Testing for 1995 and Older Vehicles
June 25, 2017 RichardReina Family carsMazda Miata, NJ State Inspection, OBD I, OBD II


Sometime last year, a story made the news in New Jersey, which seemed to garner little attention in the press. The State Government announced that during calendar year 2017, “older vehicles” would no longer be subject to mandatory emissions inspection.

A quick refresher for those who do not reside in the Garden State: for years, NJ subjected passenger cars to an annual inspection, consisting of both safety-related items such as tires, lights, horn, etc., and emissions testing, covering both a tailpipe sniff and a fuel filler cap integrity check. A few years ago, the law changed from an annual inspection to a biannual one. A few years after that, the safety portion of the inspection was dropped.

The announcement from the New Jersey Motor Vehicle Commission allowed that 1995 and older cars would no longer require any type of inspection. Model year 1996 and newer cars would continue as before, needing an emissions test every two years.

Was the 1995-1996 cutoff arbitrary? Not at all. The Federal Government requires that 1996 and newer passenger cars possess “On Board Diagnostic” (OBD) testing capability with a standardized access plug, and standardized Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTCs). The 1996 nationwide requirement was actually a Phase Two level. So-called OBD I was a California requirement, but never a Federal requirement. Even if not mandatory, most 1991-1995 cars have some sort of rudimentary ability to read DTCs through an OBD system.

What does this technical discussion have to do with the State of NJ? Simple: cost. For a NJ inspection station to test emissions, two sets of equipment were needed: one to read OBD I (1995 and older), and one to read OBD II (1996 and newer). There is no compatibility between the two. The State Government saw this as nothing more than a money-saving decision. By eliminating testing for the older cars, only one set of test equipment must be purchased.

The newest vehicles which no longer need to pass an inspection are 22 years old. Since the average age of light-duty vehicles on the road today is 11 years, one can rationalize that as a percentage of the highway population, there are relatively few cars which may become “gross polluters”. (For what it’s worth, the NJ law as written still requires vehicle owners to maintain their cars, and further states that drivers can be cited for “malfunctioning or missing equipment”.)

Speaking from personal experience: my 1993 Mazda Miata, which I’ve owned since 1996, had always passed NJ emissions, until it failed in 2015. There were no warning lights, nor did the car behave any differently. It turned out that the car needed an oxygen sensor (for which there is no regular replacement interval). Had I not had the vehicle inspected, how would I have known?

Without getting too political, this comes down to a difference of opinion between those who believe in greater individual responsibility, versus those who believe that our government does occasionally need to act in order to protect the greater good. In this case, I see both sides. I actually have a bigger issue with the removal of all safety inspections. Cars alongside me on the road may have bald tires, worn-out brakes, and inoperative headlights, but are still operating legally (and yes, as stated above, they can be cited for obvious defects. When is the last time that happened in New Jersey?).

The new law regarding the emissions testing for 1995 and older vehicles went into effect on May 1, 2017. Owners of affected vehicles were told that the state would be mailing notices. As the owner of such an affected vehicle, I got my notice last week:





It’s in the glove box, but I didn’t check to be certain that the VINs match!



Yesterday, I took a razor blade to the inspection sticker, scraped it off for the last time, and spent quite a few minutes cleaning 24 years’ worth of adhesive residue. The new notice went into the glove box (thank goodness the state didn’t require that it be displayed on the dashboard), and I stood back to admire the newly-bare windshield glass.


Before…

… and after; now you can see the VIN
My 1993 Miata looks just like all Miatas built from 1990 through 1997. How long might it be before I’m stopped for driving with a missing inspection sticker?

And, for all you California haters, any vehicle produced in 1975 or before is exempt from emissions testing. There are no yearly safety inspections for any car...

Slap Stick said:

Uh...he never said there was a 25 year rule. Forget that.
He quoted the statute which states 1995 and older and registered as a passenger vehicle are exempt.
It doesn't state OBD I or II.
The determining factor is 1995 and older, registered for passenger use.

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just because it doesn't state it specifically in the law
doesn't mean it isn't the reason or factor why there is the law to begin with.

this should turn the red x's green

here ya go..




What does this technical discussion have to do with the State of NJ? Simple: cost. For a NJ inspection station to test emissions, two sets of equipment were needed: one to read OBD I (1995 and older), and one to read OBD II (1996 and newer). There is no compatibility between the two. The State Government saw this as nothing more than a money-saving decision. By eliminating testing for the older cars, only one set of test equipment must be purchased.

coloradodave said:

And, for all you California haters, any vehicle produced in 1975 or before is exempt from emissions testing. There are no yearly safety inspections for any car...

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I have no issues with safety inspections. They do help with proper maintenance of a vehicle and makes others safe on the highway. I think it's a stupid policy to NOT make sure people's vehicles are safe. Nothing worse than someone doin 70 mph down a highway and something breaks....

QuickBpBp said:

That is what we bought my youngest son for Christmas. Hoping it will result in real world experience when he drives a stick shift..

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It's crazy what those things can do. They have this one simulator/game where you plug a real guitar in it and it gives you lessons and it works

Drive this up there if you wanna put the fear of God in em.....the famed bench seat 4 speed pistol grip, scaring millennials for almost 20 years now!

33 IMP said:

There is a meme of a millenial anti-theft device.


It shows a 5sp stickshift shift knob pattern.

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No inspection in Oklahoma. Years ago we did. I drove up with straight pipes and the guy laughed and just said nope.