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Not a whole lot of tech info in 'this' thread 
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Oops, my fault. I thought this started in the PF. I'll remove my comments so as not to get the thread moved there. Let me know if I missed any.Not a whole lot of tech info in 'this' thread
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I'm fine with it......stepped over the line a tad but not enough
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Too late, I over reacted. But I have beaten the drum before on folks ruining threads.I'm fine with it......stepped over the line a tad but not enough
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I disagree, I don't, I see no pragmatic reason say a 1927 Buick? should be tested yearly for anything.
I have already made my case what exemptions I favor.
I'll leave it at that so as not to start a frowned on dreaded argument.
The problem I see there is the wording. I'm fine with being tested to meet the standards, but sometimes you can't meet those standards without a part that is not available, or you have to get the approved version for a lot more money. Catalytic converter is the easiest example of this. If they have the compromise of letting me worry about the parts as long as they do the job, I'll make the compromise of not bitching when its time for the sniffer.
That mutual compromise could be a happy medium for many of us. Yeah maybe I can't throw a 454 in my vette with a fat cam, but I can at least put headers on it with dual modern cats that work for all the other states, along with a nice port FI set up.
...except that the "standards" are fluid and keep changing to meet whatever the new "carbon footprint requirements" and green blah blah blah dictate....a load of meadow muffins! How anyone with a brain can keep voting these guys in baffles the mind...
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You honestly think these people are voted in?
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One of the stupidest parts is that there are CARB compliant parts that are not any more efficient at reducing emissions yet the state requires them.
Why? Because there is a huge surcharge for products with the “CARB Compliant” certification and guess who gets that difference?
It is a government money grab.
You can have a car that runs cleaner than it ever did but it can still fail because it has parts on it that are not CARB Compliant.
That is bullshit.
If the goal is cleaner air, the methods used to get there should not matter.
Why? Because there is a huge surcharge for products with the “CARB Compliant” certification and guess who gets that difference?
It is a government money grab.
You can have a car that runs cleaner than it ever did but it can still fail because it has parts on it that are not CARB Compliant.
That is bullshit.
If the goal is cleaner air, the methods used to get there should not matter.
You bet they are....because at times we've actually been able to vote them out!You honestly think these people are voted in?
Maybe it's time for an "electoral college" of sorts for states too....
THIS is truth!
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I grew up there. Bay Area and LA control the state as evidenced by your map. The state legislature making these idiotic laws are put in place by the millions of votes acquired by cheating in the blue areas on your map. I used to live in Trinity County. One of the red areas on your map. Our votes mattered in county elections but not state and federal. If you added up the populations of the red areas and the blue areas, the blue areas would outweigh the red by millions of voters. Those are the voters that they use to cheat in the blue areas.You bet they are....because at times we've actually been able to vote them out!
Maybe it's time for an "electoral college" of sorts for states too....
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How clever.
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Pennsylvania is no better. No smog check for cars under 5000 mi. a year but annual state inspections for all cars unless you have an antique tag. Biggest money grab going. And you have to have insurance to keep your registration. You let it slide and you have to get a new plate on the bumper. And 98% of shops won’t even be bothered to inspect a car older than 25 years. They can’t repair it, and know they can’t make any money on it if you fix it yourself.
I track my cars from smog to smog to see how they change, I'll have to dig up and see if there was ever a standard change that I didn't notice. If there was it never bit me. But yes if we had the compromises I mentioned sticking to the standards would be needed too.
Basically what I said, just more detailed and smarter and stuff
I do have Atomic EFI on the old Vette and it has a CARB EO number, but I had to work to make it run cleaner than the stock carb, its not a great system yet legal. Guess I shouldn't complain.
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That’s how they take over states. Look at Illinois Wisconcin Minnesota Georgia and soon to be Texas to name a few. There are more states they have taken this way but you get the idea. One way to fix this is to have the electoral college at the state level. Or even better, stop the cheating.
You bet they are....because at times we've actually been able to vote them out!
Maybe it's time for an "electoral college" of sorts for states too....
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The map looks like you could just crowd them out to sea.
From some other forums it sounds like the underlying purpose of this smog testing is to keep people from daily driving 35 year old and older cars. Seems like CA legislatures are big in underlying purposes. It also seems they could pretty much accomplish the same thing with simply requiring people with 35 year old and older cars to purchase collector car insurance policies in lieu of standard policies. They already limit daily to and from work driving and errand driving for the most part. Nothing would change for most old car owners. Of course that still skewers guys who just plain like using a 1970 Dodge Dart sedan for a daily driver because it’s simple, easy to work on and gets the job done cheaply. For them I guess an option for smog checks to keep their standard liability insurance and drive daily. I guess they are going to raise havoc one way or the other. What a frickin disaster for car enthusiast.
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That part was supposed to have fallen into the ocean by now. I feel gipped.
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somebody touch a nerve!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
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