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Do any of you freeloaders need a free cell phone?
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Big govt progressive socialism at it's best...
THAAAAAAAATSSSSSSS NICEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE....... give the system sucking DEGENERATES a free cell phone... its not bad enough that these idiots REFUSE to work......so by all means...give them something to arrange their drug deals.....and next terrorist bombing..i got an idea....why dont we just give free stuff to the mexicans....arabs...iranians....terrorists..... OH WAIT....WE ALREADY DO ! you really are a richard cranium....AINTCHA? lol.... WHOA BUNDY !
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I know someone who is on social assistance. A real family man who wants nothing more than to provide a better life for his kids. Doesn't do drugs, hardly drinks and works whenever he can. If anyone called him a system sucking degenerate to his face they would end up in the hospital.
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What this tells me is there is more than one of these providers which is scary because who is paying for this? :thinker:
one guess big man......WE AREEEEE!....this country really is turning to you know what !
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I spent some time in Singapore, and those folks do it right. I went out to get something to eat late one night, and I saw dozens and dozens of people. Half of them had brooms, half had mops, and they were sweeping and mopping (yes mopping) the sidewalks. I asked the night manager at the hotel what that was all about, and he told me those people were on what we would call welfare.
The way their system works is if you need public assistance, they give you an apartment that's paid for 100% (rent, utilities, furniture, etc.), plus money for food and necessities. In return, you have to do public service work. People starting out get the really crappy jobs, like mopping the sidewalk, but if you work hard and well, you quickly get promoted up to doing better work and you start getting paid. The catch is that as you start getting paid, your "free" benefits start to go down, so instead of getting your apartment for free you now have to pay 10% of the rent. Every time your pay goes up, a percentage of that raise goes to paying more of your expenses.
Within six months or so, if you've shown you're a solid worker, the government pays for you to get skills training so you can get a job at one of the private companies there. Once you get to a point financially where you can pay your bills, you're on your own. The best part is this: these folks get one bite at the apple and that's it. If they say you gotta mop the sidewalks for eight hours and you say no, you get nothing. You don't perform, you get nothing. This prevents that mentality we see here of "I don't want to better myself because if I do I'll lose some of my freebies!" Their system follows the old logic of helping those who help themselves, and making people earn what they get. The people get a super-clean city-state, and those who need help get what they need, but they can't just sit there and milk the system indefinately like folks here can.
Oh, they also have a very well-enforced policy of giving the death penalty to any drug offenders, so they don't have to deal with a lot of drugged-up losers over there either, and that helps.
The way their system works is if you need public assistance, they give you an apartment that's paid for 100% (rent, utilities, furniture, etc.), plus money for food and necessities. In return, you have to do public service work. People starting out get the really crappy jobs, like mopping the sidewalk, but if you work hard and well, you quickly get promoted up to doing better work and you start getting paid. The catch is that as you start getting paid, your "free" benefits start to go down, so instead of getting your apartment for free you now have to pay 10% of the rent. Every time your pay goes up, a percentage of that raise goes to paying more of your expenses.
Within six months or so, if you've shown you're a solid worker, the government pays for you to get skills training so you can get a job at one of the private companies there. Once you get to a point financially where you can pay your bills, you're on your own. The best part is this: these folks get one bite at the apple and that's it. If they say you gotta mop the sidewalks for eight hours and you say no, you get nothing. You don't perform, you get nothing. This prevents that mentality we see here of "I don't want to better myself because if I do I'll lose some of my freebies!" Their system follows the old logic of helping those who help themselves, and making people earn what they get. The people get a super-clean city-state, and those who need help get what they need, but they can't just sit there and milk the system indefinately like folks here can.
Oh, they also have a very well-enforced policy of giving the death penalty to any drug offenders, so they don't have to deal with a lot of drugged-up losers over there either, and that helps.
i like that idea Bruzilla. the problem over here is that everyone is too "POLITICALLY CORRECT"....and are afraid to offend anyone. its easier to sink than to swim....and our government permits the crap that happens and caters to them (as you can plainly see with the free cell phones) .....personally i have too much pride for that, and im sure alot of you guys do too ! i been poor all my life and if i dont have the money to do something or buy something...i do WITHOUT !
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I think it goes a lot deeper than political correctness. It goes back to the failed idea that you can maintain a "kept" population, i.e., the government can serve as the provider for a segment of the population on a cradle-to-grave basis.
My sister-in-law's been a hard worker all her life, then the company she worked for went out of business and she had to go on unemployment for the first time in her life. She immediately asked me to help her find a job, and at first she was following up on every lead, but within a matter of weeks I sensed her becoming more and more reluctant to take action. All of a sudden jobs weren't paying enough, were too far away, too hard, etc. There was always a reason why she didn't bother following up on the lead, but the reality was her unemployment check, while small, was enough to cover most of her needs. It didn't come close to covering her wants, but in under a month she had allowed herself to convice herself that those things she wanted weren't as important as just being able to sit around and do nothing. I found it incredible how quickly someone can become adjusted to just getting by on the minumums as long a someone else is providing them that minimum. Like most unemployment recipients, she didn't start really looking for a job until her unemployment was about to run out.
This is the same deal with most societal leeches. They're content to get by with the minimums and will live that way until they are forced to start fending for themselves. That's why the Singapore system works so much better. The folks there can't just subsist off the government. They have to show steady and constant improvement or they're out, so there's no "I don't want to get promoted because then I'll have to start paying rent" mentality. Instead they have a "yes, I have to start paying rent if I get promoted, but I'll also be making more money and staying in the program. Sure beats getting nothing" mentality.
What really bugs me is all these leeches suck up the money that could be spent on people who really need it. Imagine if the money being spent on cell phones, food, housing, healthcare, transportation, and day care for people who should and could be taking care of themselves was spent improving the lives of someone who's totally disabled, or needs intensive psychiatric care, or is otherwise actually unable to take care of themselves. Those folks would actually be able to lead a decent life.
My sister-in-law's been a hard worker all her life, then the company she worked for went out of business and she had to go on unemployment for the first time in her life. She immediately asked me to help her find a job, and at first she was following up on every lead, but within a matter of weeks I sensed her becoming more and more reluctant to take action. All of a sudden jobs weren't paying enough, were too far away, too hard, etc. There was always a reason why she didn't bother following up on the lead, but the reality was her unemployment check, while small, was enough to cover most of her needs. It didn't come close to covering her wants, but in under a month she had allowed herself to convice herself that those things she wanted weren't as important as just being able to sit around and do nothing. I found it incredible how quickly someone can become adjusted to just getting by on the minumums as long a someone else is providing them that minimum. Like most unemployment recipients, she didn't start really looking for a job until her unemployment was about to run out.
This is the same deal with most societal leeches. They're content to get by with the minimums and will live that way until they are forced to start fending for themselves. That's why the Singapore system works so much better. The folks there can't just subsist off the government. They have to show steady and constant improvement or they're out, so there's no "I don't want to get promoted because then I'll have to start paying rent" mentality. Instead they have a "yes, I have to start paying rent if I get promoted, but I'll also be making more money and staying in the program. Sure beats getting nothing" mentality.
What really bugs me is all these leeches suck up the money that could be spent on people who really need it. Imagine if the money being spent on cell phones, food, housing, healthcare, transportation, and day care for people who should and could be taking care of themselves was spent improving the lives of someone who's totally disabled, or needs intensive psychiatric care, or is otherwise actually unable to take care of themselves. Those folks would actually be able to lead a decent life.
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Is the Canadian system of welfare, like the U.S. ?... We have over 43 million people good or bad on food stamps alone, most ever of any era in history, let alone any other govt. supported welfare subsistence, some aren't even U.S. citizens... I'm sure it's much much smaller in Canada you only have around 11%-12% of the well over 300 million U.S. population & most of that's in the larger cities... There are always the very few exceptions to the rule, some are just needing a hand or help for a short time... But it's especially bad here in the U.S. inner-cities, it's rampant with govt. supported everything, you name it they get it, including but not limited to, housing, cash, free food, food stamps, transportation vouchers, training, schooling {including college} & yes even cell phone services, legal citizen or not... There is no real incentive for them to go get a job, they don't have to... I'm all for the work for the check concept, I'm sure some of the people on welfare are also, make them do something to earn the subsistence, that needs to be done anyway, that we are already paying some lacky govt. worker to do now, maybe they can learn a working skill while they are being supported by the govt. That's Just My Opinions
Is the Canadian system of welfare, like the U.S. ?... We have over 43 million people good or bad on food stamps alone, most ever of any era in history, let alone any other govt. supported welfare subsistence, some aren't even U.S. citizens... I'm sure it's much much smaller in Canada you only have around 11%-12% of the well over 300 million U.S. population & most of that's in the larger cities... There are always the very few exceptions to the rule, some are just needing a hand or help for a short time... But it's especially bad here in the U.S. inner-cities, it's rampant with govt. supported everything, you name it they get it, including but not limited to, housing, cash, free food, food stamps, transportation vouchers, training, schooling {including college} & yes even cell phone services, legal citizen or not... There is no real incentive for them to go get a job, they don't have to... I'm all for the work for the check concept, I'm sure some of the people on welfare are also, make them do something to earn the subsistence, that needs to be done anyway, that we are already paying some lacky govt. worker to do now, maybe they can learn a working skill while they are being supported by the govt. That's Just My Opinions
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I live in a mobile home park been here for 23 years most of the snowbirds have died off or moved on we are left with the freeloaders [25% of the tennants owe more than 6 months back rent] they are unemployed and on social services,but they got marlboro cigerettes,budwiser beer,shop at Publix grocery [top of the line store here] and dope. My sons and i are considered rich cause we have a one ton dually diesel and a 2011 mustang,2006 vw jetta and two classic cars. They have said to us why do ya'll live here ya'll are rich and i comment back that we all work hard for what we have and we ain't rich we just have our priortys organized we don't drink,dope,smoke so our extra money goes to toys. My neighbors across the street don't do nuthin he is on disability [but works side jobs often] his wife volenteers at a city police dept while he sits home and smokes dope. She has been offered two jobs did not accept either one [she would lose her social services] their kids are just like them leaches in training. They were awarded custody of their neice from D.C.F. in illinois [WTF] can't even take care of themselves and given another mouth to feed. And there are others out there whom are trying to make ends meet and getting turned down because they make 1 dollar or less over the maximum state rules. I'm very sick of seeing this abuse of funds and the state allowing it using the excuse of not enough manpower or funds.
sounds like all of you see the same things as i do. all that agree that this country is turning into shyte....can i have a WHOAAAAAAAA BUNDYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY !
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Thanks for the info, wasn't aware of that! Not like that here, unless you're an aboriginal, then it's pretty much the same deal. I've seen bumper stickers that say ''keep working white boy, my wife needs a new truck'' RAGE!!!
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Wow, you guys are mean spirited. You actually think people should work for some benefit? LOL Sarcasm off. You know that this country is off it's rocker. As long as a majority of people feel guilty about their wealth, the gravy train will continue.
IMO, the breakdown of the family structure and the rampant divorce rate has caused guilty parents to completely absolve their children from accountability in their lives. We have young adults entering society who expect something for nothing because Mom and Dad do, or have everything done for them.
I see it all the time from young people filling out applications and in interviewing them and employing them. They expect a paycheck for simply showing up. Ask them to sweep the floor, and, they look at you like they have to perform brain surgery. They call off work for petty reasons that are "important" to them. They are late and show up in unserviceable clothing. Mother and Dad even show up and get their applications for them. And good luck trying to read them because our education system has all but given up on teaching them to write a comprehensible sentence. Penmanship is almost non-existent.
All this is here up in small towns of the UP of Michigan where I suspect the family values are prevalently still in tact verses the inner city. I can't imagine what it must be like in an urban area where the schools are out of control.
As long as we have politicians that play to the heartstrings of people that think that "success" is a right to be given, instead of earned, we are in a world of trouble.
IMO, the breakdown of the family structure and the rampant divorce rate has caused guilty parents to completely absolve their children from accountability in their lives. We have young adults entering society who expect something for nothing because Mom and Dad do, or have everything done for them.
I see it all the time from young people filling out applications and in interviewing them and employing them. They expect a paycheck for simply showing up. Ask them to sweep the floor, and, they look at you like they have to perform brain surgery. They call off work for petty reasons that are "important" to them. They are late and show up in unserviceable clothing. Mother and Dad even show up and get their applications for them. And good luck trying to read them because our education system has all but given up on teaching them to write a comprehensible sentence. Penmanship is almost non-existent.
All this is here up in small towns of the UP of Michigan where I suspect the family values are prevalently still in tact verses the inner city. I can't imagine what it must be like in an urban area where the schools are out of control.
As long as we have politicians that play to the heartstrings of people that think that "success" is a right to be given, instead of earned, we are in a world of trouble.
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I have no issue helping the poor and do $o a lot more than almost everyone I know. The problem I have is the definition of "Help". Giving someone everything they need (and want) to survive, that doesn't want to help themselves, is not helping anyone. It's created generations of people that will never get off public assistance. And unfortunately, the sense of entitlement seems to get passed on to their children. And with this comes future support to keep the political party in office that feels life should be fair. I don't know about you all, but from the time they were small, I told my kids life isn't fair and to get over it. They are all educated, working, and well adjusted adults now and it didn't happen by accident or by being raised by a village.
I have no issue helping the poor and do $o a lot more than almost everyone I know. The problem I have is the definition of "Help". Giving someone everything they need (and want) to survive, that doesn't want to help themselves, is not helping anyone. It's created generations of people that will never get off public assistance. And unfortunately, the sense of entitlement seems to get passed on to their children. And with this comes future support to keep the political party in office that feels life should be fair. I don't know about you all, but from the time they were small, I told my kids life isn't fair and to get over it. They are all educated, working, and well adjusted adults now and it didn't happen by accident or by being raised by a village.
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There's also a passage that say "God helps those, who helps themselves" & some wise men once said, "give" a man a fish/meal & he eats for 1 night, "teach" a man to fish/farm & he will eat for life... The best way to help the "able bodied" poor really, is to teach them to get out of poverty & the inner cities, get off welfare or any other govt. subsistence, go to school get an education & graduate {they have every economic advantage in that realm}, don't choose to have "a bunch of kids" they can't support themselves, be responsible for yourself 1st & foremost, learn a trade or profession, then go out & "get a job" {like the people that are paying the taxes that support the poor}, work hard your whole adult life, instead of "freeloading" off others hard work & then they can reap the benefits of being self sufficient, instead of a burden on the govt./society/Christianity, then they could help there own families & people out of the welfare state, they are currently in today... Break the chain in the cycle of poverty & socialism.... My 2 cents
There's also a passage that say "God helps those, who helps themselves" & some wise men once said, "give" a man a fish/meal & he eats for 1 night, "teach" a man to fish/farm & he will eat for life... The best way to help the "able bodied" poor really, is to teach them to get out of poverty & the inner cities, get off welfare or any other govt. subsistence, go to school get an education & graduate {they have every economic advantage in that realm}, don't choose to have "a bunch of kids" they can't support themselves, be responsible for yourself 1st & foremost, learn a trade or profession, then go out & "get a job" {like the people that are paying the taxes that support the poor}, work hard your whole adult life, instead of "freeloading" off others hard work & then they can reap the benefits of being self sufficient, instead of a burden on the govt./society/Christianity, then they could help there own families & people out of the welfare state, they are currently in today... Break the chain in the cycle of poverty & socialism.... My 2 cents
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At one time i was homeless and employed by the USAF was sent to my first base and there was no billeting available for my family and i we did not have enough cash for a place to stay so we lived in my truck for awhile saving my money, till a sgt. that i worked for loaned us a 16 foot travel trailer that we used till i could purchase a larger travel trailer. I worked on base and did side jobs when i was not on duty so i could pay off that trailer. From then on i swore i would never be homeless and broke and for the last 32 years i have been able to do that, i ain't rich every thing i own is old and worn but it's mine and i'm damn proud of it. I have taught my kids that everything you want you have to work for nothing is free and the harder you work the more you will have. I do not help anyone with money [cause i ain't got it] i will help out folks with chores and such [seniors mainly]. I have only claimed unemployment once and was back to work before i got my first check had food stamps for six months and was refused cause i got a raise and was making 10 cents over the state maximum limit [WTF]. Folks on social services get lazy and never leave the system while folks who need assistance can't seem to get approved the systems broken and nobody cares. God or religion ain't got nothing to do with it it's up to the person to change their life thats it if they are happy with being a drunk or druggie thats homeless then there is no hope for them.
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