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FINALLY solved smoking issue

MWFan

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Have asked everywhere and never got a definite answer as to why my 440 would smoke, only at idle when hot. It ran great, had 165+ lbs. compression. Had a few folks say they thought it was valve seals, others a leaky valley pan. I put a new pan in it and resealed the intake a year ago.
End of October I got disgusted with it and finally pulled the heads and took them to a shop. They found nothing wrong with them so I yanked the short block and took it to a Mopar specialist machine shop. Finally know the issue.
The oil ring rails were gapped way too wide, .050+. (?)
Also the compression rings had lost tension. This motor was built back in 1997 and had gone through a previous owner who only drove it a few times a year. Apparently this contrubuted to the issue.
It turned out to be a blessing because it also had a major issue with the crankshaft. Apparently the thrust surfaces had a defect that had worn the thrust bearing to where there was .045 end play.
SO, new rings, bearings and a replacement steel crank later....
I put it back together over the last couple of weeks and test drove it today. Feels much more crisp than it did, running great, no smoke.
What threw me off was the compression test results. Still don't understand why the rings issue didn't show up.
Thanks to Tyrods Custom cars in Bluff City Tn. for referral, Center Street Machine in Kingsport Tn. for heads evaluation and especially DJ's Performance Racing Engines in Mooresburg Tn. for finding and fixing the problem. If you are in the North East Tennessee area, I highly recommend all these guys.
 
You can have good compression and bad oil control. Oil ring gap in itself will not cause an issue. Low oil ring expander tension, wrong oil ring expander size, stuck oil rings, 2nd ring installed installed upside down, improper cylinder wall finish can all contribute to poor oil control. The good thing is you’ve got it fixed.
Doug
 
If the engine had been bored they could of installed standard rings.
 
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If the engine had been bored they could of installed standard rings.
The bore is +.030.
That could be but I have all the paperwork from the shop that built it in Seattle Wa. back in 1997. They seemed like a very legit shop.
 
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compression numbers now and after breakin would be interesting!
Hopefully I'll recover from the tear down and reassembly soon and get the numbers. The comp ratio is only about 9.5/1 so I'm not expecting it to be really high.
I think I'll wait a while to crawl under it to get those numbers. I'm still feeling my age from the job...
 
comp numbers can be really helpfull later! I purchased a 6.5 diesel about 15yrs. ago from a reputable engine shop because I was in a hurry [end of boat season}} and after install the motor smoked on start up a bit,never did that with original engine! I called them out on the smoke and they said it wasn't broke in! well the smoke on startup never went away and my son [gm tech} and I have been through everything external on this motor and it still smokes on start up! the only thing it can be is they put the 21/1 pistons in it,should have been the 23/1 pistons in an hd truck. Good part is the motor still runs but has always been down a bit on power!even survived a runaway with a bad pmd so their bearing work was good,just the reading of part numbers or engine specs. lacking!
 
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