GM Spokeswoman is asked where the electricity to charge the Chevy Volt she's gushing over comes from

[1STMP]

May not be all green power right now but eventually it will be. Until then you can criticize new tech all you want while everyone else moves on. Rooftop solar is so cheap right now it takes LESS than 10 years for payback on new solar systems that will power your house and your vehicle. My new solar array is being installed in about 3 weeks. I'll power all my electrical needs and cut my natural gas consumption by 90%. I'm not switching to solar because of any green initiatives. I'm doing it because of the way we are taxed on any fossil fuels we use and mostly because I get free all-I-can-use electricity.

There ain't nothing free....
What are you going to do when your panels
reach the end of their useful life and there's
no way to dispose of them? Landfills won't
accept them, and there are very few
materials in a panel that are recyclable. In
large arrays, they fry any birds flying too
close over them. Your batteries, also
contribute to environmental pollutants.
Just as windmill blades (made from
fiberglass), are stacking up in huge
amounts. Landfills won't accept those
either, and the fiberglass doesn't
decompose.
Living off grid has it's good points, but
there are offsetting bad points.

 

[Kern Dog]

There are few things quite as annoying as a person that projects their ignorance while actually thinking that they are doing the right thing.

 

[AR67GTX]

You may be next to a coal station, but coal fueled power plants generate about 20% of American power, nowhere close to 90%.

If you had actually watched the entire tape you would see that was taken from. a quote from the local Lansing Power and Coal representative, J. Peter Lark and their power generation statistics. In listening again, he actually said 95% coal generation which is obviously for their local area. If you don’t like it contact him.

 

[moparedtn]

 

[Sam69sat]

May not be all green power right now but eventually it will be. Until then you can criticize new tech all you want while everyone else moves on. Rooftop solar is so cheap right now it takes LESS than 10 years for payback on new solar systems that will power your house and your vehicle. My new solar array is being installed in about 3 weeks. I'll power all my electrical needs and cut my natural gas consumption by 90%. I'm not switching to solar because of any green initiatives. I'm doing it because of the way we are taxed on any fossil fuels we use and mostly because I get free all-I-can-use electricity.

I would be interested to see your total costs for the solar array and installation. Also please post your montly energy costs for the past year and the next year after you're on solar.

 

[moparedtn]

At the place I work, they plug in their electric cars and the smoke stack from the power plant is 100 yards behind the charging stations! Atleast they feel good about believing that they are zero emissions,and everything now a days is about feelings!

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This is exactly right - and is exactly why the "religion of the Kumbaya" never works:
Everything their movement ascribes to is based in fuzzy, huggy feel-good intentions.
Nevermind any reality, practicality or nature itself - as long as something feels good in our hearts,
we'll legislate the hell out of everything to force it upon the people - whether it actually has any
basis in reality or not.

 

[moparedtn]

May not be all green power right now but eventually it will be. Until then you can criticize new tech all you want while everyone else moves on. Rooftop solar is so cheap right now it takes LESS than 10 years for payback on new solar systems that will power your house and your vehicle. My new solar array is being installed in about 3 weeks. I'll power all my electrical needs and cut my natural gas consumption by 90%. I'm not switching to solar because of any green initiatives. I'm doing it because of the way we are taxed on any fossil fuels we use and mostly because I get free all-I-can-use electricity.

I'd honestly like to read your post on how the system actually is working out for you once up and running for a bit.
Would you humble us with such at that time?

 

[moparedtn]

And in that case who pays for the electricity? Do they pay for the gas for your vehicle?

A lot of companies do, of course (reimburse employees for gas), so their "perk" of allowing them to charge during
the workday falls along the same lines. Might even be less cost to the company when compared to $0.50/mile?

 

[Roger63]

I'd honestly like to read your post on how the system actually is working out for you once up and running for a bit.
Would you humble us with such at that time?

I have a good friend that had solar panels installed about 2 years ago. His electric bill averages $13 per month on a 75 year old hous and full shop. But his panel payment is $300 per month for 60 months 0% interest. He says life expectancy is 10 years.

 

[gtx6970]

I have a good friend that had solar panels installed about 2 years ago. His electric bill averages $13 per month on a 75 year old house and full shop. But his panel payment is $300 per month for 60 months 0% interest. He says life expectancy is 10 years.

curious

What was his electric bill prior to the install ?

Wife and I just got a quote to go full solar about 3 weeks ago. about $25k with 25 year warrenty on the panels.

I felt costs were a wash . we would be paying someone about the same money . Only difference was we could feel good about it being solar

 

[Roger63]

curious

What was his electric bill prior to the install ?

Wife and I just got a quote to go full solar about 3 weeks ago. about $25k with 25 year warrenty on the panels.

I felt costs were a wash . we would be paying someone about the same money . Only difference was we could feel good about it being solar

If memory serves me correctly, a $220 average. But I will check with him.

 

[rumblefish360]

Sounds like an older panel system.

 

[rumblefish360]

curious

What was his electric bill prior to the install ?

Wife and I just got a quote to go full solar about 3 weeks ago. about $25k with 25 year warrenty on the panels.

I felt costs were a wash . we would be paying someone about the same money . Only difference was we could feel good about it being solar

How many Kw used vs produced?

 

[joe smith]

curious

What was his electric bill prior to the install ?

Wife and I just got a quote to go full solar about 3 weeks ago. about $25k with 25 year warrenty on the panels.

I felt costs were a wash . we would be paying someone about the same money . Only difference was we could feel good about it being solar

The products I have seen or been around seem to be lucky to last 15 years, then its BIG bucks again to pay out....25 years is a long time for any product to last.... AND you can bet this company might not be around anymore....
I was in the Window manufacturing industry when the " lifetime " warranties came out... NONE of the companies I worked for are left and some have sold out to " New Yauk " holding companies......... Good luck with that

 

[Sam69sat]

The products I have seen or been around seem to be lucky to last 15 years, then its BIG bucks again to pay out....25 years is a long time for any product to last.... AND you can bet this company might not be around anymore....
I was in the Window manufacturing industry when the " lifetime " warranties came out... NONE of the companies I worked for are left and some have sold out to " New Yauk " holding companies......... Good luck with that

Exactly. Most of these solar companies will be tits up in 5-7 years and warranties will be void. Then they'll just start up as a new company and scam more people.

 

[Photon440]

If you had actually watched the entire tape you would see that was taken from. a quote from the local Lansing Power and Coal representative, J. Peter Lark and their power generation statistics. In listening again, he actually said 95% coal generation which is obviously for their local area. If you don’t like it contact him.

I didn't watch the entire tape, I was merely responding to what you posted. If you had read post #2 you would know why I hadn't watched it.

 

[gtx6970]

Exactly. Most of these solar companies will be tits up in 5-7 years and warranties will be void. Then they'll just start up as a new company and scam more people.

Agreed
and just one of the reasons I sent the kid packing

 

[mopar 3 B]

At the place I work, they plug in their electric cars and the smoke stack from the power plant is 100 yards behind the charging stations! Atleast they feel good about believing that they are zero emissions,and everything now a days is about feelings!

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Buy enough energy credits and it green.

 

[mopar 3 B]

May not be all green power right now but eventually it will be. Until then you can criticize new tech all you want while everyone else moves on. Rooftop solar is so cheap right now it takes LESS than 10 years for payback on new solar systems that will power your house and your vehicle. My new solar array is being installed in about 3 weeks. I'll power all my electrical needs and cut my natural gas consumption by 90%. I'm not switching to solar because of any green initiatives. I'm doing it because of the way we are taxed on any fossil fuels we use and mostly because I get free all-I-can-use electricity.

Ok come back in 10 years and update this.

 

[mopar 3 B]

curious

What was his electric bill prior to the install ?

Wife and I just got a quote to go full solar about 3 weeks ago. about $25k with 25 year warrenty on the panels.

I felt costs were a wash . we would be paying someone about the same money . Only difference was we could feel good about it being solar

I would read that warranty real close. Does it cover the total cost of service calls? Also with most home type warranties what was the max parts fee? No warranties are not free. If they were they would not exist.