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There ain't nothing free....
What are you going to do when your panels
reach the end of their useful life and there's
no way to dispose of them? Landfills won't
accept them, and there are very few
materials in a panel that are recyclable. In
large arrays, they fry any birds flying too
close over them. Your batteries, also
contribute to environmental pollutants.
Just as windmill blades (made from
fiberglass), are stacking up in huge
amounts. Landfills won't accept those
either, and the fiberglass doesn't
decompose.
Living off grid has it's good points, but
there are offsetting bad points.
Landfills? Recycle? That's for the tree huggers to ask and figure out. I'll be gone by then. I'm doing this for personal gain, not any green initiatives or any feel good scenarios. Batteries? No batteries needed as Ontario have Net Metering which means we sent excess hydro to the grid and that excess can be recouped during no solar production times.
 
I would be interested to see your total costs for the solar array and installation. Also please post your montly energy costs for the past year and the next year after you're on solar.
You are always welcome to come over and check it out anytime.
 
A lot of companies do, of course (reimburse employees for gas), so their "perk" of allowing them to charge during
the workday falls along the same lines. Might even be less cost to the company when compared to $0.50/mile?
During my corporate days, one of the best perks was mileage reimbursement for company use of my personal vehicle, rather than being given a company car. I was paid the prevailing IRS mileage rate (which recently went to 62.5 cents per mile.) Driving 1960s Imperials, I rode in style, and pocketed about 20 cents a mile after expenses. Free electric is same stuff, different day.
 
I have a good friend that had solar panels installed about 2 years ago. His electric bill averages $13 per month on a 75 year old hous and full shop. But his panel payment is $300 per month for 60 months 0% interest. He says life expectancy is 10 years.
Adding that up he paid $18k for the system. If the electrical costs for house and full shop are $250/month, that's $30k over 10 years. That's a good ROE. But I think his system will last more than 10 yrs. My American made panels come with a 25 yr production warranty and costs around $450 each. The inverter has a 10 yr warranty but is cheap to replace (<$1k).
 
curious

What was his electric bill prior to the install ?

Wife and I just got a quote to go full solar about 3 weeks ago. about $25k with 25 year warrenty on the panels.

I felt costs were a wash . we would be paying someone about the same money . Only difference was we could feel good about it being solar
Based on your post your electrical bill must be around $1000 a year. Mine is way more than that. Unfortunately in years to come electric rates will only get higher...much higher.
 
The products I have seen or been around seem to be lucky to last 15 years, then its BIG bucks again to pay out....25 years is a long time for any product to last.... AND you can bet this company might not be around anymore....
I was in the Window manufacturing industry when the " lifetime " warranties came out... NONE of the companies I worked for are left and some have sold out to " New Yauk " holding companies......... Good luck with that
Just like anything with a long warranty their is no guarantee. Best anyone can do is researching your options and buy from a long standing reputable American company and hope for the best. Panels are cheap anyway.
 
Exactly. Most of these solar companies will be tits up in 5-7 years and warranties will be void. Then they'll just start up as a new company and scam more people.
You are correct about the longevity of many start-up solar installation companies. Steer clear of them. Only deal with long standing solar installers with a proven history of customer satisfaction. I'm dealing with a company that's been around the longest, doesn't subcontract out work and has a solid reputation. But the hardware warranties are from the manufacturer not the company that installed them. Dealing with a reputable US manufacturer is important. Regardless, panels are cheap to replace anyway.
 
I would read that warranty real close. Does it cover the total cost of service calls? Also with most home type warranties what was the max parts fee? No warranties are not free. If they were they would not exist.
Warranties are a secondary concern especially if its 25 years long. Panels are cheap (~$450) and the labor is easy 15 minute plug and play. Inverters are less than $1k and you only need 1.
 
You guys just don't see the big picture: It's the end result that counts. In this case, coal is being converted into 100% clean, carbon neutral battery power!
 
Warranties are a secondary concern especially if its 25 years long. Panels are cheap (~$450) and the labor is easy 15 minute plug and play. Inverters are less than $1k and you only need 1.
Are you reroofing the house before they install the solar panels?
 
That run on gasoline when the battery goes down. And the dumb asses didn't even design the gas engine to recharge the batteries when the engine runs. Brake regen recharging only. :BangHead::BangHead:
This is changing slowly. The 4xe wrangler does charge the battery as it drives.
But most don't and what's worse is they want a majority of production to be BEV, no gas engine and do away with diesels. Lol.
 
May not be all green power right now but eventually it will be. Until then you can criticize new tech all you want while everyone else moves on. Rooftop solar is so cheap right now it takes LESS than 10 years for payback on new solar systems that will power your house and your vehicle. My new solar array is being installed in about 3 weeks. I'll power all my electrical needs and cut my natural gas consumption by 90%. I'm not switching to solar because of any green initiatives. I'm doing it because of the way we are taxed on any fossil fuels we use and mostly because I get free all-I-can-use electricity.
Did they tell you what the lifespan of your solar panels are? And did they mention their efficiency drops off as they age? Just curious how up front they were about it. I had thought about this or a windmill, but everything has it's drawbacks.
 
Are you reroofing the house before they install the solar panels?
Yes already done 2 weeks ago. The panels are being installed on my garage roof. The roof needed new shingles anyway. The solar company said its about $800 to remove all the panels and replace them (2 trips) if ever a reroof was needed. They guarantee no roof leaks for life from their install.
 
Did they tell you what the lifespan of your solar panels are? And did they mention their efficiency drops off as they age? Just curious how up front they were about it. I had thought about this or a windmill, but everything has it's drawbacks.
25 year panel warranty that they will be min 80% efficient. The warranty is from the US manufacturer. The solar company I'm dealing with has a 15 year labor warranty. It takes 15 minutes to change a panel (plug & play) and are cheap ($450 each). I checked windmills out and they are double the price of solar.
 
The solar company said its about $800 to remove all the panels and replace them (2 trips) if ever a reroof was needed.


That's what they quoted my son too when he was sold rooftop solar panels. Given the difference between currencies between the US & Canada, as well as different geographic locations within the same country, that must the standard line they give everyone to help make a sale. I can't imagine that sending out a pair of men for that low of a rate is a truthful rate, no matter where you live. Who do you get if that solar company is not around in 10-15 years?
 
That's what they quoted my son too when he was sold rooftop solar panels. Given the difference between currencies between the US & Canada, as well as different geographic locations within the same country, that must the standard line they give everyone to help make a sale. I can't imagine that sending out a pair of men for that low of a rate is a truthful rate, no matter where you live. Who do you get if that solar company is not around in 10-15 years?
I saw an installation and it seems pretty straight forward and simple. The panels are plug and play. They should be able to remove the panels and tracks within 2-3 hrs max. Replacing will be probably 4 hrs.
Being that I just reroofed my garage 3 weeks ago I shouldn't have any issues for at least 25 yrs. The shingles under the panels aren't exposed to the sun. But in the worst case scenario I get another solar company to R&R the panels at whatever their price is. If the net outcome makes financial sense then I'm good with it. Btw, payback period is 10 years with a life expectancy of 25 yrs. Their is no payback period on buying your electricity.
 
Based on your post your electrical bill must be around $1000 a year. Mine is way more than that. Unfortunately in years to come electric rates will only get higher...much higher.
Some how 30k over 10 years=3k per year or $250 per month. So each month I would already be $150 in the hole average.
 
Some how 30k over 10 years=3k per year or $250 per month. So each month I would already be $150 in the hole average.
Your math is correct if the system only lasts for 10 yrs and electricity bill is only $84/month. The panels come with a 25 yr warranty and are cheap to replace.
 
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