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Green bearings gone

I have a 62 Plymouth and still run tapered axles, timken bearing and ball and trunion front axle joint, AND a 741 rear center section. Zero issues as it sits, easy enough to adjust. Front bearings are original and still running smooth. Any time it is up in the air I give the tires a wiggle and adjust if necessary. On the rears, mine are adjusted with shims behind the brake backing plate. Hasn't moved since installed.

I like to keep it period correct as much as possible and actually enjoy doing routine maintenance on it. Nothing wrong with timkens. Just my opinon
 
I have a 23 spline Dana 60 out of a 68 coronet. I am switching to green bearings. To remove my thrust spacer, do I need to remove the rear section? Or can I get it out with a magnet like I read somewhere else?

I have looked down the axle tube, but I don't see anything resembling any images I have seen. I just see the opposite side axle, which I haven't removed.
I would assume you have a Sure Grip in it? If so, it should be the Power Lok and the thrust spacer is held together with a roll pin. If someone got there's out using a magnet, then the roll pin was already broken. I like to remove the thrust pins whenever I go with green bearings (built a lot of rear ends for others) but it's a hassle to remove the carrier from the housing just to do this. I've heard of many that do not remove it and say it's not a problem. One thing you can do if you leave it in is to put a good dab of grease on the ends of the axles and install both and then pull them out an see if the pin leaves a hard 'foot print' in the grease.
 
I would assume you have a Sure Grip in it? If so, it should be the Power Lok and the thrust spacer is held together with a roll pin. If someone got there's out using a magnet, then the roll pin was already broken. I like to remove the thrust pins whenever I go with green bearings (built a lot of rear ends for others) but it's a hassle to remove the carrier from the housing just to do this. I've heard of many that do not remove it and say it's not a problem. One thing you can do if you leave it in is to put a good dab of grease on the ends of the axles and install both and then pull them out an see if the pin leaves a hard 'foot print' in the grease.

Thanks for that tip. I'll try that before I tear the rear apart. But... This build hasn't been "easy way" for anything.
 
Thanks for that tip. I'll try that before I tear the rear apart. But... This build hasn't been "easy way" for anything.
I've heard so many say that Mopars are hard to work on but I find them to be pretty easy.
 
i had someone offer to give me a set green bearings; i said no thanks.

There has to be millions of 9" ford rear axles running around with the same types of bearings with no issues. Another Mopar myth perpetuated by those that had a buddies cousins uncle that had problems, most likely because he didn't remove the thrust button or shorten the axles.
 
This article is from Dr Diff
Why Green Bearings?

Drawbacks of the OEM design

An OEM adjustable, Set 7 (A7) tapered wheel bearing is definitely strong but it is has a few drawbacks.

The bearing is flipped around backward, so the race is captive between it and the axle flange. This means the bearing must float in the housing end and requires an adjuster, thrust block or thrust pin. Of course, an adjuster, thrust block or thrust pin must pass through the center of the differential. A hole drilled in the cross shaft of a 4 pinion carrier creates a stress riser that is prone to breaking. A 2 pinion carrier allows the thrust block to pass around it unobstructed, but the 2 pinion design also limits the differential’s strength.

Axle spline engagement also suffers because the width of the thrust block (which must have room to slide side to side) protrudes into the splined area of the side gears. This limits spline engagement in differentials with a 2 piece cone or clutch-hub/side gear arrangement.

Beaded steel and foam gaskets don’t keep water from running into the housing end and into the non-sealed wheel bearing. Don’t forget to check your pickup’s A7 wheel bearings if you ever back a boat into the water.

Axle flange stand-out is not held constant unless you blueprint the axle lengths. Measure the axle flange stand-out on both sides of any stock 8 3/4″ rearend. Because of production tolerances, a single adjuster causes the axle flange to stick out farther on 1 side than the other.

The length of both axles, and the housing width is critically dependent on each other. Because everyone uses tape measurements to specify axle and housing lengths, making a set of axles with adjustable set 7 wheel bearings for a custom application is very hard. Axle flange standout varies greatly unless the axles are cut long, installed then blue printed to length.



The need for non-adjustable wheel bearings

Most of these problems can be avoided by installing non-adjustable sealed ball “Green” wheel bearings. The name comes from the Green Bearing Company which first produced them. The company has since been purchased by Bearing Technologies.

Unfortunately, the original Mopar Green wheel bearing design has 2 problems.

First generation (RP-400) Green bearings, still sold by Mopar Performance and others, are problematic because the crimped-on flange will not allow the bearing to wiggle around inside a housing that is not perfectly straight (none are).

In addition, the design causes the axle to be inserted DEEPER into the housing than necessary. This results in pre-loading against the differential thrust block and early bearing failure.

Second generation (MO-400) snap-ring style Green bearings are forgiving because they can move around inside the housing and they do not preload the differential thrust block in a stock application.

Most guys who have problems with Green bearings are running the RP-400 first generation version or incorrectly made aftermarket axles or housings or poorly designed rear disc brake kits, all of which cause pre-loading and premature bearing failure.

I have several customers running MO-400 snap-ring Green bearings in daily drivers. The design is no different than what came stock in millions of other vehicles, including ’60s era Mopar 7.25″ and Ford 9″ rears. (For example, see here) I do not stock, nor do I recommend the first generation RP-400 Green bearing with the crimped-on 5 hole retainer. I only carry the “loose fit, snap ring style” second generation MO-400 design.



Products:

OEM-style Set 7 (A7) Tapered Axle Bearings

2nd Generation snap-ring style Green Bearings

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I've been running and changing to green bearings for 15 years..these are the same as ford and they don't have problems...do what you want but my 2 cents is the greens are a better way to go than leaky tapered..plus..get the lash set correct...greens don't need that either

What terzmo has said, case closed!

There has to be millions of 9" ford rear axles running around with the same types of bearings with no issues.

Thank you for reiterating my point! I guess there will always be the lovers vs. the haters in this debate?
 
I don't think "Ford did it" is a good argument. I have a Ford, it sucks.
 
I don't think "Ford did it" is a good argument. I have a Ford, it sucks.

But yet "ford sucks" is a good argument? I think the proof of sound design of millions of vehicles on the road vs a handful of early conversion bearing faiilures (most likely due to installation errors)is all the evidence one should need.
 
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