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Pushrods rubbing on 440 source aluminum heads

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Hello, I am putting together a 440 with the "stealth aluminum cylinder heads" from 440 source, and the pushrods are rubbing near the top of the head. I am wondering if anyone has had this problem and if some grinding was needed to allow the pushrods to move. I am using the pushrods sold at 440 source as well. I will be calling them tomorrow but wanted to know if this was a common problem or if I was lucky enough to get some messed up heads.

Thanks- TheQuickster
 
Hello, I am putting together a 440 with the "stealth aluminum cylinder heads" from 440 source, and the pushrods are rubbing near the top of the head. I am wondering if anyone has had this problem and if some grinding was needed to allow the pushrods to move. I am using the pushrods sold at 440 source as well. I will be calling them tomorrow but wanted to know if this was a common problem or if I was lucky enough to get some messed up heads.

Thanks- TheQuickster
Just went through this with mine and yes had to do some grinding.
 
Yes. Pretty much all of them rub. I always clearance them and the RPMs when the valve job is fixed.
 
Yes I am using the 3/8 pushrods from 440 source, I guess I will have to remove the heads and do a little work to them. I am also using the rocker arm set up from them also and the rockers seem to slide a little along the rocker shaft , even after the spacers provided in the package were put it place, is this a common occurrence? Does anyone have a picture of a similar setup, I would like to see how others have the spacers set up.
Thank you all for the responses, this is my first engine I have built and I'm trying to learn as much as I can and get everything correct.

Thanks-TheQuickster
 
We had to do the same for my dads 505, same set up you have. Just be careful when grinding the clearance you need.
 
Ok I will have to do some work on the heads then. This may seem like a stupid question but please bare with me I'm a novice , since I will be needing new head gaskets does it matter what brand or thickness I get? My machine shop original sold me felpro set with multiple engine gaskets and seals , I'm sure I could get my hands on some like that again if need be.

Thanks-TheQuickster
 
See what is on there now and get the same thickness.
 
Your shop gave you the wrong gaskets...
Some hints for the newbie:
1. If you are clearancing yourself, get a high speed rotary tool of some kind. Makita hand die grinder, dremel, or if you have air a die grinder and a cylindrical carbide burr.
2. Remove the heads from the engine, and if it were me I'd disassemble them. You will need a new set of positive vales seals because they don't do well with being removed in most cases. Keep track of the valves and put the same valve back where it came from.
3. When you're done, clean the heads well, especially with a degreaser and make sure there's nothing down in the guides (use brake cleaner or a cleaning brush if you have them).
4. Use assembly lube or thick oil on the stems when they get reassembled.
5. If the camshaft is a flat tappet of any kind, and required true double springs (that's two round-wire coils with a flat wound steel dampener between them) - remove the inner springs and omit them when the heads are assembled. They need to be out for cam break in, then re-installed afterward.
6. Buy the Felpro Performance 1009 head gaskets. They have a pre-flattened fire ring which is necessary for use with an iron block and aluminum head combo. Standard gaskets will work, but over time they will brinnel the head (meaning they will erode the aluminum off the head through repeated heat cycles). This can lead to sealing problems down the road.
7. Use a thread chaser or tap on the holes for the head bolts and blow them clean with air or brake clean.
8. Use the right lube on the threads (ARPs need the ARP lube and use the ARP torque specs) and torque in three steps. The last step should be a smooth pull up to final torque value.
9. The rockers you run may have some benefit from a spacer package. I think Mancini sells them, maybe Hughes too? Shim the rockers to achieve .010"-.015" clearance between them.

Hope that helps!
 
i've had the fel-pro 1009 burn thru the fire rings on the cylinders and torch the heads on the larger bores. unless fel-pro has changed their design since last I used the 1009 the fire ring will hang into, or at least, too close to the cylinder bore. I've found the 1039 to be very safe and the cheapo 8519 will probably do everything you want.
 
For 3/8" pushrods most of the aftermarket heads need to be ground for clearance.
You can get thick wall 5/16" pushrods that work good, but might cost close to $200/set?
It is the easy way to go if the engine is assembled.
Grinding the head for clearance is not too difficult, but the metal shavings get everywhere and you really need to disasemble the valves/springs before hand so you can clean the head good, then re-assemble the valves and springs. The Fel-Pro gaskets should be OK on an engine with less than 11:1 compression (no power adders.) The MLS Cometic gaskets are a good upgrade, but are around $90/each. You can get those in almost any thickness and bore size.
 
Read your fine print, it will tell you that push rods may rub requiring grinding in certain areas to stop it.
 
They are really a problem rubbing with roller Hyd. lifters.
Been there at engine assy.
 
That’s why I used thick wall 5/16’s push rods, problem solved.
 
5/16" can still rub, mine did.
 
Thanks for all the advice guys..., I just talked to 440 source and they said it was pretty common. I'm sure it says it it my instructions but I don't have them on hand to verify. They also told me about a shim set they sell that should fix the rocker arm movement. My next question would be where can I find some 5/16 pushrods that are the " thick wall" type? The current ones I was planning to use were 8.905 long with the ball and cup end. Depending of how much a set of those cost I might try them before I ground the heads, but I'm also worried about them rubbing.

Thanks-TheQuickster
 
Smith Bros, Hughes, etc.
 
I have been using Smith Brothers. They usually ship custom length pushrods the next day.
Their web site is pushrods.net
The web site is not that informative, you want their catalog at:
https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/8060ba_cefd96527b4c4b0d80199e47f6dcefb2.pdf
I would not worry too much about all the specific end options, their customer service is good and they will likely already know which ends you need for a Mopar.

I understand that Manton pushrods is also good, but I have not used them.
 
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