No easy way for this officer.
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Can I comment now? 
There is already a thread on this back in April when it first happened. I'm wondering why there's an article on it again, a month later?
There is already a thread on this back in April when it first happened. I'm wondering why there's an article on it again, a month later?
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Looks like the Officer did what he had to do....
Can I comment now?
There is already a thread on this back in April when it first happened. I'm wondering why there's an article on it again, a month later?
"Can I comment now?" But only after you read the text...... ( I'm wondering why there's an article on it again, a month later?) Because it came off a police newsletter article I recently got dated May 12th in my email. ????? Now answer a question for me, why are you guys so **** about things that you think should be the way you want?
He was ordered by his command to stop this truck that was driving over a hundred MPH. "But then you would have known that had you read the article". In my professional opinion, it was a boneheaded decision by the command and improper use of the "Pitt Maneuver" by the officer. Someone was killed and an innocent person could have been killed because of the officer's actions. Liability was on the department, the commanding officer, and the officer involved. Better back off and let the driver go in hopes he slows down if not chased but then that's just me.
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I'm not sure what you are asking Auggie.
You can look at this situation from both sides. He did wait until there wasn't any oncoming traffic and pitted him off the road to the right. The driver was going to kill someone and or himself the way he crossed over into oncoming traffic.
It was really crazy to do this at those speeds! Maybe spike strips up ahead would have been better to slow him down first or another unit to pull out and get in front to slow things down a bit.
I'm sure there will be a hearing with the family members filing suit.
I'm not asking I'm telling just what can and will happen after an incident like this. Excessive force? My twenty years in uniform is my source of information.
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Uh, I did read the article. So maybe your statement was uncalled for. It's easy to second guess what was done in the moment. And THAT can go both ways, Auggie.
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Those who are current/former officers, please answer this:
The PIT maneuver is recommended for speeds a whole lot slower than 100mph, is it not?
Can any of you report what the policy on it was in your department?
The PIT maneuver is recommended for speeds a whole lot slower than 100mph, is it not?
Can any of you report what the policy on it was in your department?
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There's an entire wikipedia article on the Pit Maneuver. In part: typical police regulation recommends that an officer not attempt the PIT at speeds greater than 35 miles per hour
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIT_maneuver
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIT_maneuver
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"The PIT is not applicable in every situation, and many factors affect the usefulness of the technique. Many of these factors relate to safety concerns: typical police regulation recommends that an officer not attempt the PIT at speeds greater than 35 miles per hour (55 kilometers per hour), and requires careful choice of location, considering all possible effects on other traffic vehicles and pedestrians. Because of the police department's potential liability for the injury or death of not only of the occupants of the target vehicle, but also bystanders, most departments limit its use to only the most high-risk scenarios. Most departments specify that the PIT should only be used to stop pursuits that are immediately dangerous and ongoing. When possible, a minimum of three pursuers should be present when a PIT is executed: one as the PIT vehicle and two following at a greater distance to react to the results.[citation needed]
The PIT is especially hazardous when the vehicles' bumpers are of significantly different heights, or against target vehicles with a high center of gravity such as vans or SUVs. High center of gravity vehicles frequently roll over. It cannot be safely used on motorcycles at any speed.
At speeds below 35 MPH, it can be used on a fleeing vehicle, if the legal parameters would justify "less than lethal force" against the driver. At speeds greater than 35 MPH, the technique still works, but it is considered potentially lethal and normally would only be used if lethal force is justified against all occupants. It is best used when the driver is on surface streets and cornering. A high speed motorist may kill innocent people and it can sometimes be justified for that traffic offense. Since there may be unwilling or innocent passengers in the car, there is an inherent difficulty in justifying the use of PITs."
The PIT is especially hazardous when the vehicles' bumpers are of significantly different heights, or against target vehicles with a high center of gravity such as vans or SUVs. High center of gravity vehicles frequently roll over. It cannot be safely used on motorcycles at any speed.
At speeds below 35 MPH, it can be used on a fleeing vehicle, if the legal parameters would justify "less than lethal force" against the driver. At speeds greater than 35 MPH, the technique still works, but it is considered potentially lethal and normally would only be used if lethal force is justified against all occupants. It is best used when the driver is on surface streets and cornering. A high speed motorist may kill innocent people and it can sometimes be justified for that traffic offense. Since there may be unwilling or innocent passengers in the car, there is an inherent difficulty in justifying the use of PITs."
The only time a pit maneuver was allowed was below that 35 mph limit. Then it was taken off the policy all together. For the infamous spike strips. Then it was back on only for felons that have committed violent crime(s) that needed to be stopped and then needed supervisor clearance before attempting.
Tons of different philosophical thoughts on this topic.. chase or not to chase and what to do and how to handle if you don’t!
Tons of different philosophical thoughts on this topic.. chase or not to chase and what to do and how to handle if you don’t!
What are you questioning in what I posted in particular?
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I read the article, but you seemed to slam me for not reading and just making a post. Still reserve my opinion to not judge the cop for making the decision to take this idiot out when he had the chance in hopes he didn't kill or hurt innocents...
I don't know how you got that idea but asking one to get the whole picture by reading the text is nothing but advice. Many I'm sure just took the thrill of the video rather than reading the why and how. My information that I posted is based in fact, just how can any professional police officer justify chasing the truck for a minor traffic violation that resulted in mayhem and death is beyond me. One in ten traffic deaths is a result of police chases, not my words but a statistical fact.
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