The benefits of ethanol free fuel, what say you???

[idrivemopar]

I am sure some of you will boo and hiss, when I say that I just now, today, after driving my car for 4 years on 91 octane fuel, with ethanol, I made the switch to ethanol free 91 octane.

I noticed for starters, its smells much better out the tail pipe and seemed to idle much better than it ever has, and throttle response was quicker, but this was just sitting, I wont take her out until spring because the roads have way too much gravel on them currently.

I am curious, what benefits of running ethanol free fuel, aside from the obvious issues associated with alcohol fuels, have you noticed?

 

[ir3333]

Oh boy...here we go!

 

[Bladecutter]

I am sure some of you will boo and hiss, when I say that I just now, today, after driving my car for 4 years on 91 octane fuel, with ethanol, I made the switch to ethanol free 91 octane.

I noticed for starters, its smells much better out the tail pipe and seemed to idle much better than it ever has, and throttle response was quicker, but this was just sitting, I wont take her out until spring because the roads have way too much gravel on them currently.

I am curious, what benefits of running ethanol free fuel, aside from the obvious issues associated with alcohol fuels, have you noticed?

Alcohol has a percentage of water, will contribute to condensation problems, will cause leakage problems with fuel lines & float bowls,. EFI worse because of the high fuel pressures. Statistically, fires in body shops, mechanical shops have increased since introduction of ethanol/alcohol.
On the other hand, the higher the percentage of alcohol/ethanol, the less the carbon build up.

 

[Budnicks]

With no ethanol in your gas
Less condensation
less oxidation
less rust left behind
far less harmful deposits left behind &
far less particles left behind in the fuel bowls or tanks of anything
especially aluminum or raw steel based stuff
less rotting of rubber seals & O-rings/hoses
better mileage/combustion burning
better performance in unaltered cars
less taxpayers subsidies to either grow or not grow

& everything else it created problems wise,
engine wise it's far better, especially these older cars

something computer controlled it's not as big of a deal
even they have issues with "the crap too"...

Corn is meant to eat, feed livestock & humans
& make moonshine, not run a car
that's what wood alcohol/Methanol is for...
& It isn't meant for daily drivers "either", meant for racecars...

There are some benefits of ethanol
for getting more performance & less detonation
you have to run 70% more of it by the alcohol in it's % volume,
so it creates mileage or consumption issues...
IF the cars are tuned properly to use "the blended govt. mandated ****"
IMO otherwise it's a money grab, BS govt. meddling...
The benefits of 10%-15% is a joke...

 

[Sonny Black]

I used 91 octane, no ethanol mine runs ok......
93 octane, with ethanol , runs better......
1 part 112 octane race gas , 3 parts 93 octane W/ ethanol....RUNS GREAT!

.......................go figure

 

[oldbee]

With no ethanol in your gas
Less condensation
less oxidation
less rust left behind
far less harmful deposits left behind &
far less particles left behind in the fuel bowls or tanks of anything
especially aluminum or raw steel based stuff
less rotting of rubber seals & O-rings/hoses
better mileage/combustion burning
better performance in unaltered cars
less taxpayers subsidies to either grow or not grow

& everything else it created problems wise,
engine wise it's far better, especially these older cars

something computer controlled it's not as big of a deal
even they have issues with "the crap too"...

Corn is meant to eat, feed livestock & humans
& make moonshine, not run a car
that's what wood alcohol/Methanol is for...
& It isn't meant for daily drivers "either", meant for racecars...

There are some benefits of ethanol
for getting more performance & less detonation
you have to run 70% more of it by the alcohol in it's % volume,
so it creates mileage or consumption issues...
IF the cars are tuned properly to use "the blended govt. mandated ****"
IMO otherwise it's a money grab, BS govt. meddling...
The benefits of 10%-15% is a joke...

Can you expand on that? Great post.

 

[PurpleBeeper]

I agree 100% with budnicks & 90% with bladecutter. I don't doubt his statistics on shop fires, but ethanol is no more flammable than gasoline and slightly less volatile. Both posts are correct. AS FAR AS SONNY.... I think that's quite possible. Maybe his carb jetting just like the 112/93/EtOH blend a little better than the 91, or more likely all the extra octane lets him advance the timing and/or work better with high compression pistons????

Now, if methanol wasn't so darn toxic, I'd LOVE to see us run our cars on it. I mean, eat the corn & drive your car on the STALKS. It does have the water absorption issue like ethanol + it's even more damaging to fuel systems, but dang, it's like 110 octane (or something like that). We could distill it out of yard clippings & leaves & old tree stumps.

 

[PRND21]

I grow corn, but I don’t put that crap in my tanks. Mainly for the reasons stated by Budnicks and Bladecutter stated. Condensation! I buy ethanol free gasoline from my distributor.

 

[Photon440]

I find it interesting that people used to purposefully add alcohol to their tanks (dry gas) especially in winter, for the intention of reducing moisture content. By binding with the water, it caused it to be eliminated as the gasoline was burned instead of staying at the bottom of the tank or low spots in the lines to rust and freeze.

Now that a lot of gas already comes with alcohol pre-installed, people don't like it anymore?

 

[65Fury440]

I recently switched from 90 non ethanol to 93 ethanol.
The reason for me was that I was on the verge of detonation with the 90. I tried running octane booster, I figured to get it to 93 would be a lot. I was using 3 bottle a tank to get to who knows what octane level.
I am using Lucas ethanol treatment. Hopefully it works. I feel better that a half bottle to their specs , would be a more solid way to get a constant fuel octane level to keep the tuneup right.
My initial impression is that it idles and runs better. The plugs are cleaner for a fact.

 

[Kern Dog]

Cars with NON ethanol gas often start and run better after a few months of sitting dormant. The friggin alcohol in the fuel draws IN moisture. I've had "gasoline" with ethanol in it look like Italian dressing after a few months. Screw that...

 

[biomedtechguy]

Ethanol has a lower BTU yield than 100% petroleum gasoline, making it less efficient.
It has also cost me money to replace damaged parts in our 2 muscle cars, damage started before we owned them. Costs associated with having to use Marine Sta-Bil 360 to prevent damage again.
I loathe corn piss fuel.

 

[PP1RT]

I grow corn and use the 10% ethanol in everything but the old cars that usually just sit.
Seems to be more problematic in high humidity locations as it absorbs water just like the old "heet" we used to have to add in winter to prevent fuel line icing caused by moisture in the tanks.
As far as subsidies to the farmer for raising corn for ethanol production- we dont get anything specifically for that. We raise grain and sell it where the price is best. I don't care where it goes. Crop insurance is subsidized but most farmers will tell you it would be best if it wasn't. It's one of those tools you have to use to be competitive because everyone else is using it. If they did away with the subsidy part the playing field would still be equal because we all would still be paying for it...just all of it. Another arguably worthless government program. Do you realize farming is the tiniest part of the "farm bill"? Mostly food stamp welfare BS...

 

[biomedtechguy]

Another arguably worthless government program. Do you realize farming is the tiniest part of the "farm bill"? Mostly food stamp welfare BS...

Yes, I do, and thanks-well said.

 

[biomedtechguy]

Seems to be more problematic in high humidity locations

Hmmm...Like where I live, South Louisiana, with a SWAMP in my back yard?!

Fortunately there is a "NO ETHANOL" gas station 5 minutes away, AND they have 93 octane no ethanol premium fuel! It was 91 for a while, it would change over the "summer", then change back in the "winter" but now 93 has been available for some time.

 

[Sonny Black]

Can you expand on that? Great post.

Bee, I would like to, BUT I don't know why it runs (not better) but GREAT! on the 3/1 mix...
it actually feels like a different motor...it is so much faster, (all I can elaborate on this complicated phenomenon.)....i do love it, the fu#er roars!

ie;listing examples of the previous statement, ...... (1960 413cid, purple 282 / 484, 750 holley DP, Mechanical secondary's.....63 rb block heads...3.55 rear... )

 

[MW 413]

Biggest improvement will be in your MPG. If it was E10 that you were running switching to non ethanol gas will net you a 10% gain in mileage. Here in Maryland we have no choice. State mandated E10.

 

[not so famous bob]

I find it interesting that people used to purposefully add alcohol to their tanks (dry gas) especially in winter, for the intention of reducing moisture content. By binding with the water, it caused it to be eliminated as the gasoline was burned instead of staying at the bottom of the tank or low spots in the lines to rust and freeze.
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Now that a lot of gas already comes with alcohol pre-installed, people don't like it anymore?

You were too fat then.

 

[not so famous bob]

You were too fat then.

I don`t even put that s--t in my lawnmowers.It is not good for older metal tanks either.

 

[biomedtechguy]

I don`t even put that s--t in my lawnmowers.It is not good for older metal tanks either.

I NEVER put corn piss laced gasoline in any of my lawn equipment or boats! Never.