The Elephant In The Room: unloading the load from a B-body.

[HEMI-ITIS]

I never had outside rear view mirrors......

 

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When I had my '65 Belvedere post car I leaded the mirror post holes shut and planned on using one of those clip-on peep mirrors for street driving. It can be removed easily enough should the need arise.
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Now that Mosher has retired in his later years, and rightfully so, those mirrors are going to be back in stock and ready for shipment. He must have bought out every mirror on the shelf just to supply his armada of Super Stock creations. Beautiful cars.

 

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I never had outside rear view mirrors......

............because it was an inside job right? LOL.

 

[HEMI-ITIS]

What do these slugs weigh?

 

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These papers will commit a sin by assisting in the art of deceit on a certain part that has been casted. Stay tuned.

 

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All those different grades of sand paper will start to smooth the rough surfaces of this cast aluminum door handle and help masquerade it with a chrome like luster.
Once I finish buffing and polishing it, I will put it on the scales one last time against its casted steel sibling to compare.

 

[ROYSTOLL2]

I went too far on my '68 Road Runner but my best time 383 (bored .60 over), four speed crash box, Lakewood scatter shield, 8 3/4 rear end, 2" hooker headers, stock heads that I ported and polished myself, Edelbrock Tarantula manifold (NOT torquer), battleship springs, single 4 barrel carburetor, normally aspirated with NO NITROUS!, Ran Holley Dominator with 98 jets in secondaries, Stewart Warner manual 4 to 1 tachometer for 100% accuracy, clutch was 12-400 pound ford truck springs. Suspension 9-10's front, individual controlled air shocks rear. I got it down to 2,690 pounds! No window mechanisms, plexiglass side windows, no hood springs, homemade fiberglass hood with 4 hood pins, removed 2 inner headlights, scrapped every bit of undercoating off, drilled 1/4" holes everywhere it would not show, like doors, rear door panel area, light weight sheet aluminum sheet with glued vinyl for door panels. I had fiberglass racing seats, no back seat. No holes on brake parts or frame. Cut out steel under seats, replaced with aluminum pop riveted in. Removed backing and insulation from carpet, battery in trunk. 4 gallon dragster tank in trunk. My best time was a 10.54 at Spokane Raceway Park (2350' above sea level), which I backed up with a 10.44. I was power shifting at 7,500 RPM. I built the engine like a Chevy. It had stock rods which I hand selected and polished, after magnafluxed, then I balanced them.
I just bought a '70 Road Runner and I am not going as far as I did before but this one has a 440 4-speed.

 

[ROYSTOLL2]

I went too far on my '68 Road Runner but my best time 383 (bored .60 over), four speed crash box, Lakewood scatter shield, 8 3/4 rear end, 2" hooker headers, stock heads that I ported and polished myself, Edelbrock Tarantula manifold (NOT torquer), battleship springs, single 4 barrel carburetor, normally aspirated with NO NITROUS!, Ran Holley Dominator with 98 jets in secondaries, Stewart Warner manual 4 to 1 tachometer for 100% accuracy, clutch was 12-400 pound ford truck springs. Suspension 9-10's front, individual controlled air shocks rear. I got it down to 2,690 pounds! No window mechanisms, plexiglass side windows, no hood springs, homemade fiberglass hood with 4 hood pins, removed 2 inner headlights, scrapped every bit of undercoating off, drilled 1/4" holes everywhere it would not show, like doors, rear door panel area, light weight sheet aluminum sheet with glued vinyl for door panels. I had fiberglass racing seats, no back seat. No holes on brake parts or frame. Cut out steel under seats, replaced with aluminum pop riveted in. Removed backing and insulation from carpet, battery in trunk. 4 gallon dragster tank in trunk. My best time was a 10.54 at Spokane Raceway Park (2350' above sea level), which I backed up with a 10.44. I was power shifting at 7,500 RPM. I built the engine like a Chevy. It had stock rods which I hand selected and polished, after magnafluxed, then I balanced them.
I just bought a '70 Road Runner and I am not going as far as I did before but this one has a 440 4-speed.

 

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I went too far on my '68 Road Runner but my best time 383 (bored .60 over), four speed crash box, Lakewood scatter shield, 8 3/4 rear end, 2" hooker headers, stock heads that I ported and polished myself, Edelbrock Tarantula manifold (NOT torquer), battleship springs, single 4 barrel carburetor, normally aspirated with NO NITROUS!, Ran Holley Dominator with 98 jets in secondaries, Stewart Warner manual 4 to 1 tachometer for 100% accuracy, clutch was 12-400 pound ford truck springs. Suspension 9-10's front, individual controlled air shocks rear. I got it down to 2,690 pounds! No window mechanisms, plexiglass side windows, no hood springs, homemade fiberglass hood with 4 hood pins, removed 2 inner headlights, scrapped every bit of undercoating off, drilled 1/4" holes everywhere it would not show, like doors, rear door panel area, light weight sheet aluminum sheet with glued vinyl for door panels. I had fiberglass racing seats, no back seat. No holes on brake parts or frame. Cut out steel under seats, replaced with aluminum pop riveted in. Removed backing and insulation from carpet, battery in trunk. 4 gallon dragster tank in trunk. My best time was a 10.54 at Spokane Raceway Park (2350' above sea level), which I backed up with a 10.44. I was power shifting at 7,500 RPM. I built the engine like a Chevy. It had stock rods which I hand selected and polished, after magnafluxed, then I balanced them.
I just bought a '70 Road Runner and I am not going as far as I did before but this one has a 440 4-speed.

That's quite impressive on both the fronts of ET and weight achievements. A 383, even at 0.60 over is a hard beast to get going unless with a good shifting 4 speed, stiff gears outback and spinning at heavens gate RPM's. What probably helped you immensely was the lack of carrying fat.
Under 2700 Lbs, almost anything is going to fly, but your combo back then was an incredible feat to achieve with a B-body. IMPRESSIVE as Darth Vader once said.

I don't think I have ever seen any of those '68-'70 B bodies under 2900 Lbs unless it was all plastic and gutted like a deer. GTX John here has his 90% steel '70 GTX down to a slim Jim 3000 lbs, which is amazing in its self.

B bodies are tough when it comes to addressing the weight factor, but if one can get one really light, that B boy is going to be tough on the competition.

 

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Almost to the point of midway with the hand sanding at #800 paper.
#1000, #1500, #2000, #2500, #3000, #3500, #4000 left to go before the buff and polish by hand.

 

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Here's the underside of the door latch handle after a light hand sanding using 3000 paper at finish, then moving on to a light coat of Mother's aluminum polish. It will be mirror finish when finished.

 

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What a bunch of elbow grease will bring in shine doesn't necessarily reward much in weight reduction. LOL.
We're in the ounce count here, so here's the aluminum version coming in at 2.20 ounces.

The factory casted steel part comes in at 5.35.
That's a 3.15 shave.

 

[gooser]

in the end it all adds up

 

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That's for sure. It's all in the Arithme-TRICKS.

in the end it all adds up

 

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CHRISTINE may have had Arnie Cunningham under her subliminal spell, but my '65 Dodge, long nicknamed MR.HYDE, has me wrapped up in plain sight.
Since most of you know how maniacally maddening this car project has become, it's only proper that this announcement be made here. After all, some of you, if not all of you are co-conspirators by virtue of your support in kind words, high fives, exchanged ideas, debates and roll eye rebukes. So with that, I thank you all along with this fantastic website.

Several months ago, I got the call...........

The '65 is going to the Muscle Car and Corvette Nationals in Chicago, Il.

Many thanks to the MCACN team for offering to display and reveal it to the world at what is unapologetically the world's premier Muscle car and Factory race car invitational.
Whereas this car mostly came out in the dark years ago, now folks can see this thing up close, front and center in the lights, straight out of NYC's secret society of str==t racers.

I won't say much more other than that it's beyond exciting to be invited to this prestigious event after a few months of planning.
A lot of help and referral came from Jim Kramer over at Kramer Automotive Specialties along with late, late night calls on the HOTline with RMCHRGR here, who stood witness to the conversations coming to life on the floor at last year's event.

For those of you that are out in the midwest or elsewhere and planning to attend, drop in and say: "Hey! I know what you did last summer" LOL.
At the very least, y'all will not be disappointed by all the other super rare 4 wheel treasures taking over the entire convention floor.
That being said, this year's event is a tip off and deep SEE dive into the year 1965. It promises to be a stellar presentation to say the least in that '65 has been in the books as an unprecedented turning point for the industry.

As for the subject on the midnight skunk works at the hands of those mad factory monks? This car follows in their footsteps and may have brung it up a bunch.

Till then.
FMJ

 

[gooser]

when will this happen dates?

 

[fullmetaljacket]

when will this happen dates?

Mid November. The MCACN website has the actual dates.

 

[rmchrgr]

MCACN 2025 is November 22-23.

 

[fullmetaljacket]

MCACN 2025 is November 22-23.

There it is. I slept at the light.